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my delema is this- I bought a stoeger coach gun not to long ago and not even a hundred rounds later the forend would shoot itself off. having heard of stoegers disreputable customer service, I put a small bent piece of metal in the release to keep the forend from commig off at all. opening the action after firing was a real chore but that loosend up a bit. the reciever sticks up about an eigth inch above the rib so I can't point the gun strait without having to guess where the bead and muzzle is.

I prefer external hammers anyway and know of a couple inexpensive alternatives- the 180 dollar somewhere around there norico 99w- ive heard just as many complaints about it online as the stoeger and gather that both barrels are cyl bore, it has both a firing pin block safety(PITA) and a automatic tang saftey, not real fancy looking.

And the jw-2000 (century coach gun) which happens to be at my local big 5 for $250. I haven't heard or read any real complaints about this gun accept a bunch of people knocking it cause its made in china. I features a tang saftey, checkered forend and grip, sling swivels, and a recoil pad plus a forend release system that I can't see shooting loose. The only thing that bothers me are the engraved words on the side that say USE LEAD SHOT ONLY. Does that mean I cant shoot slugs out of it? Why doesn't the 99w say that?

the TNN coach gun is also chinese made but from what I hear everyone loves it. Runs about $500 and to be frank I don't much care for the way it looks.

If the century can shoot slugs its the one for me, if not, I might get the 99w and deactivate the fp block and make the tang saftey manual only. If the
99w can't handle slugs either I'll save up for the TNN or EAA bounty hunter2 gotta be 12 gauge something with real working exposed hammers only.

Any thoughts -thanks
 
I went through this brain damage recently, and ended up buying a nice New Haven (Hunter Arms Fulton) enclosed hammer boxlock and chopping it. I, too, prefer external hammers, but refuse to buy anything chinese. I'll probably one day end up with an old remington fitted with modern barrels for my hammer coach

However, the TNN (also Cimarron 1878) is touted as being a very good gun. I had one ever so briefly, never fired it. It was ordered with the understanding that it was Italian made (like the Uberti guns they sell), and upon discovering it's origin, I traded it off on a Uberti 1851 conversion .38 special. But if you can live with china made, I would opt for this one.

Your only other option is the high quality and high-dollar CZ hammer coach. Very nice guns.
 
I am on my second chinese external hammer coach. The first one I accidently shot a big steel goose load and gave a barrel a rather large bulge. The replacement shoots slugs and buckshot and anything lead no problem. I am a little concerned that this rather cheap gun will eventually start breaking down with heavy use. But then again I beat the stuffing out of it and I don't care.
 
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Nobody go get a rope, but I am ok with chiniese made, I just want a fair product. sombody tell me if im wrong but arent all the new coach guns made somewhere else besides the US?

Jim_100- thats what I wanted to know. at least the goose load only bulged the barrel instead of something worse. Where was the bulge? Is your gun the 99w or the jw-2000? Let me know if it starts to break down.

I always have a turkey choke on my other shotgun, so I never have steel laying around.
 
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Another to look at is the Rossi (Interarms of Alexandria, VA) (Made in Brasil) "The Overland. Mine is an 18" barreled SxS with exposed hammers and no added safety, chambered for 12 ga. 3".

I got lucky and scored a safe queen that still had cosmoline on it... I doubt it's ever even been fired. It's a good rendition of being like the old Winchester. I stumbled across mine at a gun shop that I had no clue even existed. Walked in the door and thought to myself... they're either brand new and just moving in... or, they're closing up shop and packing things up. Turns out that neither was the case... the place always looks like that. LOL I was having a door blank done at a lumberyard across the street and was killing time. There it was, hangin' on the wall for just a few hours. As I was looking at it, another guy was saying "If he doesn't want it, I do". $400 later, it was in my truck for the ride home. Haven't fired it yet, but... I've wanted a coach gun for decades.
 
The problem with anything from China is quality control. Even the steel can vary from one gun to the next, and there is no way of knowing until it fails.

I make a real effort to avoid buying anything from Pakistan and China.
 
isn't there an IZH? i'd choose russian before briasilian or chinktonese in that order. Buddy of mine had the CZ coach in 20. It was a very nice gun but it felt wierd to me. I like my 16 gauge boxlock, wish it was the same gun in a sidelock.
 
I've had a Baikal (Russian) coach gun for a dozen years now. I've shot everything from buck to slugs to rabbit loads. It's built like a T34 tank!

The same guns are now being marketed by Remington under the Spartan brand.
 
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I've had a Baikal (Russian) coach gun for a dozen years now. I've shot everything from buck to slugs to rabbit loads. It's built like a T34 tank!

The same guns are now being marketed by Remington under the Spartan brand.
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I didn't see them offering a coach gun anymore (m'be I just didn't look in the right place?)... however... I DID see an offering of a concept a like to this day... the O/U rifle/shotgun single shot. I was hoping to see one of their coachgun offerings.
 
Did the Chinese even have coaches...?
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No, they're called rickshaw guns over there.

I have tossed around the Overland myself a couple times but some other project always gets priority. They are nice though.

This one is quite nice, albeit out of the price range you listed.
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I didn't see them offering a coach gun anymore (m'be I just didn't look in the right place?)...
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You seem to be correct. A quick google search reveals Remington dropped them a couple years ago, then EAA picked them up and then stopped importing them also.

I suspect somebody will start importing them again, but until then if you want one you'll have to buy used. It's too bad - these shotguns are not as "pretty" as the Stoeger, but are more rugged. They are really a solid piece of work - I own two Baikal coach guns, one in open bore 12, and another with chokes in 20 gauge.
 
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You seem to be correct. A quick google search reveals Remington dropped them a couple years ago, then EAA picked them up and then stopped importing them also.

I suspect somebody will start importing them again, but until then if you want one you'll have to buy used. It's too bad - these shotguns are not as "pretty" as the Stoeger, but are more rugged. They are really a solid piece of work - I own two Baikal coach guns, one in open bore 12, and another with chokes in 20 gauge.
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Gunbroker lists a couple of them in SxS configuration. One has an opening bid invite of $100. The other is a John Wayne Commemorative with an opening bid invite of almost $2,000.00 It's purdy though.
 
Well, I can only say that I've bought, sold and swapped hundreds of guns over the years. Only a few of them are in the "will never sell" category and my 12 Gauge Baikal is one of those. I've carried it in every kind of weather Alaska can throw at you and just beat the hell out of it in some very rugged country - it's usually stuck in my pack with the butt hanging over my shoulder for a quick draw for bears. It's a great gun for rabbits and ptarmigan. It's loaded with buck as my home defense gun. I've fired thousands of shells out of it and treated it like hell. It cost me about $225 new...

It's a brute, and a keeper.

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Well, I can only say that I've bought, sold and swapped hundreds of guns over the years. Only a few of them are in the "will never sell" category and my 12 Gauge Baikal is one of those. I've carried it in every kind of weather Alaska can throw at you and just beat the hell out of it in some very rugged country - it's usually stuck in my pack with the butt hanging over my shoulder for a quick draw for bears. It's a great gun for rabbits and ptarmigan. It's loaded with buck as my home defense gun. I've fired thousands of shells out of it and treated it like hell. It cost me about $225 new...

It's a brute, and a keeper.

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I remember seeing this pic in another thread... and how you use it. I spent 14 winters in Alaska (7 of those above the arctic circle), so, I understand the challenges a tool endures up there. I was pleased to see that there is a wide range of what's offered by them (price)... so a feller can choose the tool that best suits his needs. And, up there... yer wise to keep sumpin' stout close at hand.... especially if someone "sounds the dinner bell" (shoots a deer). :D
 
sombody tell me if im wrong but arent all the new coach guns made somewhere else besides the US?
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There's American made, there's good imports, there's not-so-good imports, and then there's chinese.

If it's not made somewhere other than china, I can live without it, whatever it may be.
 
There's American made, there's good imports, there's not-so-good imports, and then there's chinese.
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Made me laugh out loud! I suspect even the Chinese made guns might be OK for cowboy action shooting with light loads. I don't think I'd care to shoot any slugs or magnum loads out of them.
 
Your only realistic options are Chinese-made, Stoeger, or getting lucky and finding a leftover Remington Spartan. I would buy the TTN gun which is also sold by Cimmaron. There is little demand for coachguns these days, so all the major manufactures have abandoned the category and that means the low-end imports are the only option.
 
I would not trust any firearm coming out of china (military AK's excluded). Their quality control and metalurgy is the worst in the world.
 
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