Chinese Troops Shoot Four Unarmed Protestors

Status
Not open for further replies.

Titan6

member
Joined
Feb 7, 2007
Messages
4,745
Location
Gillikin Country
This is what it is all about folks. A dictator state that suppreses the freedom of it's disarmed people. Appreciate the freedoms we have and cherish them for if socialism and disarmament come to pass in this country, this is what we have to look forward to.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23721220/
China deploys 80 truckloads of troops to Tibet
Chinese kill 4 at protest; human rights record scrutinized as Olympics near

David Gray / Reuters
Chinese soldiers in riot gear march in the main square in Kangding in Sichuan Province on Thursday. China has been struggling to quell unrest after demonstrations in Tibet's capital, Lhasa, turned violent.

March 18: China and the Dalai Lama exchange accusations. NBC's Ian Williams reports.
Nightly News

updated 12:12 p.m. ET March 20, 2008
WASHINGTON - China sent additional troops into restive areas and made more arrests in the Tibetan capital Lhasa in an effort to suppress anti-government protests even as the Dalai Lama offered face-to-face negotiations with Chinese leaders.

Government officials acknowledged for the first time that protests against Chinese rule of Tibet have spread to Tibetan communities in other provinces after sweeping through Lhasa last week. It is one of the broadest challenges to Chinese rule in years.

Hundreds of paramilitary police aboard at least 80 trucks traveled along the main road winding through the mountains into southeastern Tibet. Others set up camp and patrolled in riot gear, helmets and, for a few, rifles in the area above Tiger Leaping Gorge, a tourist attraction that usually sees little unrest.

Such scenes were repeated across far-flung towns and villages in Tibetan areas of adjacent provinces to reassert control as sporadic demonstrations continued to flare. Foreigners were barred from traveling there and tour groups were banned from Tibet, isolating a region about four times the size of France.

The protests started peacefully in Lhasa early last week, but erupted into deadly riots on Friday, drawing a harsh response from Chinese authorities.

China's crackdown has attracted even more scrutiny of its human rights record in the run-up to the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

China says the riots and protests were plotted from abroad by the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader revered by Tibetans, and his supporters. They have denied Tibetan exile groups' claims that 80 died in the violence and ensuing crackdown.

Authorities say 16 died and 325 were injured.

Rioters shot outside Tibet
The official Xinhua News agency reported Thursday that police shot and wounded four protesters "in self defense" over the weekend in western Sichuan province. It is the first time the government has acknowledged shooting any protesters in nearly a week of unrest.

Local Tibetan television in Lhasa aired footage Thursday showing black-clad police arresting 24 men. Handcuffed against a wall, the men, some young, some old, were charged with "endangering national security, beating, smashing, looting and burning," the report said.

State-run television aired a 15-minute program Thursday night, showing Friday's deadly rioting in Lhasa but none of the ensuing crackdown. Footage taken from security cameras showed looted, burned shops, wounded Chinese and a knife-wielding Tibetan standing atop a police car.

Buddhist monks were shown throwing sticks and other debris at riot police in a narrow street in a scuffle on Monday, March 10, in an attempt to portray the protests as having been started by monks.


Speaking from the seat of his government-in-exile in Dharmsala, India, the Dalai Lama offered to meet with Chinese President Hu Jintao and other Chinese leaders, though said he would not travel to Beijing unless there was a "real concrete development." He reiterated he was not seeking independence for Tibet.

"The whole world knows Dalai Lama is not seeking independence, one hundred times, thousand times I have repeated this. It is my mantra — we are not seeking independence," the 72-year-old Dalai Lama told reporters.

"The Tibet problem must be solved between Tibetan people and Chinese people," he said.

Foreigners warned of violence
Despite China's relentless vilification, the Dalai Lama — winner of the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize — remains widely revered by Tibetans, traveling widely and meeting an array of politicians and celebrities.

China has ignored calls for dialogue, casting recent events as evidence that the Dalai Lama could not be negotiated with.


Free Tibet Campaign via AP
A shop burns in Maqu in western China's Gansu province on Tuesday as protests spread beyond Tibet.

The Foreign Ministry expressed "grave concern" over a planned meeting between British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Dalai Lama, telling Brown not to offer support to the exiled leader.

At a tense news conference, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said the government suggested that foreign tourists stay out of western Gansu and Sichuan provinces, the scene of additional clashes earlier this week between Tibetan protesters and security forces.

After a long pause, he added: "But I shall assure you that our government is fully capable of maintaining social stability and ensuring the security of tourists."

More follows at the link.
 
I read through this story twice and I don't see any reference to whether those shot were armed or not. Titan6, could you point that out for me please? (I seem to have misplaced my glasses)
 
I read through this story twice and I don't see any reference to whether those shot were armed or not. Titan6, could you point that out for me please? (I seem to have misplaced my glasses)

That is true. I made an assumption based upon there being no mention of guns and the lack soldiers as casualties. Maybe they had guns and they quick thinking chinesse troops took the protestors down before they could use them.

But since there is a big lack of media coverage on the ground due to Chinese control of the media in Tibet and it is not so unusual for China to kill unarmed protestors I made the assumption. Also of course UTube is blocked in Tibet as well as most of the internet and forms of communication that are not controlled by China. Truth does not come out easy when there is no bill of rights.

Certainly if they had guns, they Chinese would make mention of them as a justification? Again based upon the available facts, not clear "evidence". If the Mods want to change the title they are of course welcome to.
 
Hitler had his Munich olympics, soon the chicoms will have their Tainanmen square olympics
 
You know what I don't get? Why don't the Chinese people revolt?

Why don't they organize, smuggle weapons from other countries into China, and start assassinating politicians? China is huge and has plenty of land for base of operations in clandestine activity.

I suspect they don't have the zeal.
 
Certainly if they had guns, they Chinese would make mention of them as a justification?

Not necessarily, with the protests spreading (by their own admission) the admission of armed protesters could exacerbate the problem in other areas by spreading rumors that it is an armed rebellion, rather then protests and riots.

You know what I don't get? Why don't the Chinese people revolt?

I've met a few Chinese nationals about my age (college age), and they are very happy with China as it is. While they lack political freedom, Democracy isn't part of their national heritage as it has been for Anglo-nations.

While there is certainly an exploited underclass, modern China has a large middle class and quite a bit of economic freedom. It isn't the "Red China" of Mao, but is in many respects a modern capitalistic society.

For many of them the question of revolt is answered with another question, why?
 
Only 4 .....we must applaud the restraint of the brothers of the Glorious Peoples Liberation Army.



H'mm PLA, same category of name as People Democratic Republic Congo, not for the People, not Democratic, not a Republic but hey it IS Congo.
 
Sure is going to be a fun Olympics. By November which anti-gun politician to elect might be the least of our worries. The dissident suppression, factory shutdowns and such are going to crash China's little economic boom.
 
You know, I don't even feel like replying to this anymore. Feel free to bash whatever country you like. I give up trying to educate westerners about the true China.

HOWEVER, I would like to add that I wished the Chinese government could have gotten much, much tougher on those traitors. Whenever the CCP becomes a little soft, the reactionary elements try to take advantage of it. Just like Tiananmen. Right after Comrade Deng Xiaoping announced the implications of it's democratic and economic freedoms, the reactionaries rioted, thinking the CCP is getting soft. Well, hehe, they learned the hard way.
Now that the Olympics are coming up, and our nation is trying so hard to make our image known in the world, these traitors decide to come up like zombies and cause trouble.

AMERICANS: I would like to ask you one question. How would you feel about anyone who betrayed your country and sold it out to evil-doers? Well, thats how we feel exactly, too. Whether we are American or Chinese, or anyone else, we don't like anybody trying to sell out our countries. Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us.
 
AMERICANS: I would like to ask you one question. How would you feel about anyone who betrayed your country and sold it out to evil-doers?

I feel great when I need cheap shoes or consumer electronics. I feel bad when I need a decent job.
 
Thanks, Rachen, for pointing out that Chinese folks and Western folks do not come from the same cultural and intellectual traditions.

Just to declare my interest, here, I prefer the Western traditions.

People should look at John Derbyshire's web site. He's an immigrant from England who spent some time in China, and married a Chinese woman. I think he explains the details better than we could do here, at a moment's notice, as is necessary in internet forums.

N.B. He likes some things about Chinese culture and tradition; not all. Just as his Chinese wife likes some things about Western culture and tradition, not all.

www.johnderbyshire.com
 
The chinese have been under authoritarian rule (emperors then, politboro now) for almost 5000 years. They have no experience with any other type of rule.
 
Evil Monkey said:
You know what I don't get? Why don't the Chinese people revolt?

The propaganda works. The people don't even know what freedom is. They've been indoctrinated their whole lives to believe that the way their government is running things is right. They only have one point of view - the one the government let's them have. They are the greatest and the best, and someday they will prove it.

OK, I'll admit I have very limited knowledge on the subject, but that is my take on it.
 
Tibet and Burma are good examples of 'gun control', i.e. a state of affairs where firearms are a legal monopoly of the government forces. One side has good intentions and the other side has loaded rifles.

In any event, the naïve and defenseless protesting monks would never opt to call up the militia and take up arms.
 
i am going to do my part to help make these olympics the lowest rated since telstar. if any body actually was going to go,cancel.

all the major sports have more important competitions,usually called the world cup or something like it. the syncrhnized swimmers will be the only ones put upon.
 
Rachen, My old girlfriend was an American student @ the University of Bejing in '89. While traveling throught the country she ended up naer Tainanmen square. Some of her Chinese friends were killed there. There was a lot more going on than what was reported on ABC TV. ( Do you know the Chinese governments cure for a chest cold?? They park a tank on your lungs!! Kinda hard to cough with a 16 ton tank on your chest.) She came back a totally different girl (yes it messed her up). We should boycott their Olympics ... But then that would upset the NWO.....
 
Dang, nerfs, I was trying to keep the discussion on an intellectual level.

Yes, I, too, have seen the grainy photos of three-foot-diameter pizzas which used to be humans before being run over by tanks in Tiananmen Square.
 
I was wondering why the word "traitor" was used to describe the Tibetans. That would imply that they at one time were on the side of the Chinese during conflict and then turned and sided with some external aggressor, right?

I remember the movie "Hero" with Jet Li. Althought I'm Chinese by ethnicity, I was born here in the USA and am not familiar with all the customs and mindset. Thus hearing "Tian Xia," or "All under heaven" in the movie disturbed me. I don't know if this concept is universal among mainland Chinese, but it sure would explain some of the reason why they don't just leave Tibet (and Taiwan for that matter) alone.
 
Their government is a bunch of evil tyrants. None of this should surprise anyone. They are going to be in this century the greatest threat to human freedom. That's just the way it is.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top