A non safety Chinese type 54 w/ some kind of weird trigger installed.
Bill
My understanding is that these new Type 54's with the trigger safety are coming out of Vietnam.
This thread might get more attention if it were moved to the Automatic Pistols forum; that forum seems to get a lot more traffic than this one.
Vietnam is currently on the State Department list of Proscribed Nations. Arms imports from Vietnam are not currently allowed.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...arms-ammunition-and-implements-war-restricted
Yeah, some Chinese SKS's came out of Albania because they were there for 20 years or so.Wasn't there some information recently that if guns from banned countries were held in non banned countries for X number of years they could at that point be imported?
Given that Vietnam is NOT the source, do you know how these Chinese Tokarevs are coming into the US now? https://aimsurplus.com/chinese-norinco-type-54-tokarev-pistol-7-62x25cal/
I got this example from AIM Surplus, I suppose I could reach out and ask them. The description does say it was made by North China industries.That's a really good question!
I have no idea.
From the dates I've seen though, these aren't made by NORINCO as the advert claims. Norinco didn't incorporate until 1980, and all of the dates I've seen so far are well before 1980.
Norinco did make commercial tokarev copies though-- the 9mm Model 213-- in the 1980's, but they arent marked the same as these military type54's.
I'll will let you know if I find out anything about the possible export country.
You're gonna hate me, but the name of the importer is stamped on the Glockarev. I'm used to seeing bad acronyms that it totally slipped my mind.[AIM is the retailer. R-GUNS, who imported the "Glockarevs" would be the one to ask.]
"Norinco", has erroneously become a catchall term for any Chinese arms or ammo import-- largely because they were the early major exporter of Chinese small arms starting in the 1980's. The error in this is easily seen by the many firearms called NORINCO whose manufacture date pre-dates Norinco's 1980 origin.
The only Tokarev variant that can be accurately attributed to Norinco is the 9mm Model 213.
I would add the arsenal /66\ seen on many of the Type54's is associated with China Poly Group Corporation (Poly Tech) and not Norinco.
As for the likely nation of export: Albania and Israel are the two countries I have seen suggested. Both are problematic however. Albania because Chinese military aid ended in the late1970's but the dates seen so far indicate production well into the 1990's. Israel is also problematic because of the same late observed dates.
One possibility is that the type54's were first imported to another country before they were imported to Albania or captured by Israel. Following this line of thinking, Pakistan and Iran are known to have received type54 shipments from China. They may have exported them to Albania. Or to elsewhere in the middle east where Israel could have captured them. Though this is only conjecture on my part.
It's all very interesting.