Chris Christie and his stance on guns
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several outlets report the same story, here is one:
http://threepercenternation.com/2015/07/christie-takes-executive-action
There are two big problems with this action. 1st issue: This executive order is very narrowly defined [ quoting from the linked article ] "for victims of domestic violence, violent crimes, or those who have a demonstrable threat against them ...", everyone else gets no special treatment. i.e. They get delayed as long as possible. 2nd: issue: This executive order comes just days after declaring his bid for the Republican nomination for president.
The old saying "TOO LITTLE; TOO LATE." never rang truer.
chuck
http://threepercenternation.com/2015/07/christie-takes-executive-action
There are two big problems with this action. 1st issue: This executive order is very narrowly defined [ quoting from the linked article ] "for victims of domestic violence, violent crimes, or those who have a demonstrable threat against them ...", everyone else gets no special treatment. i.e. They get delayed as long as possible. 2nd: issue: This executive order comes just days after declaring his bid for the Republican nomination for president.
The old saying "TOO LITTLE; TOO LATE." never rang truer.
chuck
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Christy and his stance on 2nd amendments right and the Republican party are in direct conflict. He has had 4 years to correct the personal liberties of his State's citizens.... the only reason he is talking gun law reform is that as a Republican you would have to be clueless to consider voting for him... He should have changed the laws in his most unfriendly gun state in the country before running for president.. Not the sharpest tool in the tool shed...
Deanimator
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alsaqr
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There is a big problem in New Jersey, the voters prefer anti-gun politicians. Poll after poll have shown that the majority of New Jersey voters want more gun control.
http://news.rutgers.edu/news-releas...trol-legislation-are-concerned-about/20130919
Yep, Christie is like McCain and Romney; a significant but "lesser of two evils" kind of guy. i do not vote for evil.
http://news.rutgers.edu/news-releas...trol-legislation-are-concerned-about/20130919
Yep, Christie is like McCain and Romney; a significant but "lesser of two evils" kind of guy. i do not vote for evil.
"Poll after poll have shown that the majority of New Jersey voters want more gun control."
OK, what are some good ways to open their minds?
OK, what are some good ways to open their minds?
By getting rid of the intimidation factor of having to have to go to the police to apply for the firearms ID card months in advance in order to purchase a firearm. The draconian and very intrusive process consists of the requirement of 2 or 3 references including one from your employer and in some areas. Additionally,... fingerprinting is also required!...And there is a hefty fee for fingerprinting and another fee for background and mental health checks.
Then there is the unusually longs waits for the card that range from 30 to 120 days... or longer. And this is just for purchase of long guns. Handguns? Well there is the 'one handgun a month" rule in NJ and a separate permit to purchase a handgun required for each handgun.
Getting rid of those absurd processes would be the first step in changing and opening people's minds in that state.
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Justin
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Rest easy. Christie is so universally loathed that he's unlikely to be the nominee.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/everybody-hates-chris-christie/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/everybody-hates-chris-christie/
Spot on, these are the core issues for our fellow gun owners to be concerned about. Even if he couldn't change things, he could have tried with executive orders and whatever legal means he had at his disposal.
The pardons that he issued were appreciated, they didn't change things for gun rights in that state and it should not have rised to that level that pardons needed to be issued! The pardons looked good on paper and got him some press, but gun owners there are still stuck with some of the most outdated and draconian gun legislation in the country.
And I didn't even mention that people there are still are paying $15,000 to $25,000 a year in property taxes for the privilege of being oppressed.
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I'm with you, even though my vote in the general election is highly unlikely to affect the outcome. (What are the chances of CA going red?!) BUT I'm still gonna do what I can to help get a nominee I actually like.
I spent 7 years in Alabama and now live in Oregon. Both are states where every politician elected state-wide are from a single party. Alabama is completely Republican and Oregon is completely Democrat. I have found the best way to make my vote count is to vote in the primary of the party in power. I don't see any reason to waste my vote selecting candidates guaranteed to lose in the general election.
The 2A is not a state's rights issue as it is clearly stated in the Constitution that it is universal. So, Christie, and the state of NJ has been acting un-Constitutionally for decades. He has done nothing to correct that, because he has a Democrat legislature, but I also believe he does not want to change the gun laws because it would not be politically expedient for him to do so in NJ.
Many if not most of the people in NJ seem to be progressive urbanites that have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the media, the educational system and their politicians. It is a sad state of affairs when so many believe lies.
Many if not most of the people in NJ seem to be progressive urbanites that have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the media, the educational system and their politicians. It is a sad state of affairs when so many believe lies.
Being a bit of a pessimist concerning politics, I would rather vote for Hillary than Christie, Bush or almost any/ALL the announced candidates the repub central command are touting. My reasoning: short of a excellent repub candidate with "fire in his/her belly, they'll never win; couple that with a SHTF senario that WILL happen IMO, i'd rather get it over with sooner rather than later and Hillary will certainly cause it to happen sooner.
Now, if the repub central command is overwhelmed with a Carly campaign, I see a future of gradual redemption of this Nations great status, but IMO that's an extreme longshot.
CMD
Now, if the repub central command is overwhelmed with a Carly campaign, I see a future of gradual redemption of this Nations great status, but IMO that's an extreme longshot.
CMD
Tommygunn
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If you'd been born in Alabama 1n 1925 and grown up in Alabama (as my father was) you wouldn't think the state was Republican!!!! It was firmly in the hands of Democrats from Reconstruction until recently. As of the last few years, yes, the Republican Party has pretty much seized control.
But even when it was in the hands of the Ds they were generally conservative on 2A issues. It was mainly about farm subsidies.
But .... things change.
If you'd been born in Alabama 1n 1925 and grown up in Alabama (as my father was) you wouldn't think the state was Republican!!!! It was firmly in the hands of Democrats from Reconstruction until recently. As of the last few years, yes, the Republican Party has pretty much seized control.
But even when it was in the hands of the Ds they were generally conservative on 2A issues. It was mainly about farm subsidies.
But .... things change.
No doubt Alabama was solidly Democrat from the end of reconstruction to the civil rights movement. It is also true that a lot of those people with Democrat next to their names voted like Republicans from other parts of the country. The transition from Democrat to Republican started after the civil rights movement and many politicians changed their label but not their voting habits.
That said my statement stands. There is not a single Democrat in office that is elected state-wise. In 2014, Democrats didn't even field a candidate for most of the positions. Likewise Republicans control both the state legislature and governorship. Alabama is solid Republican today so if you want your vote to matter you vote in the Republican primary. The Republican that wins the primary will win the general election.
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Jackal
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Christie cant even govern his own waistline....
If he cant manage that, why should I trust him to manage my liberties?
If he cant manage that, why should I trust him to manage my liberties?
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Artofgolf
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He's been walking a very fine line for a long time ~ I don't think he's convinced 2A supporters
Another NJ observation: Close friends of mine - a LEO in Berlin Twp., NJ and a past supervisor of a trade/technical school decided to bail-out of the Garden State. The retired LEO went to West Virginia & loves the Blue Ridge Mountain lifestyle while the retired sup. wanted to knock that little white ball around tightly-mown fescue in North Carolina. Both abhorred the high taxes & expensive cost-of-living in New Jersey.
Both were ex-military & good guys. I hated to see them go but glad they're happy down South.
Another NJ observation: Close friends of mine - a LEO in Berlin Twp., NJ and a past supervisor of a trade/technical school decided to bail-out of the Garden State. The retired LEO went to West Virginia & loves the Blue Ridge Mountain lifestyle while the retired sup. wanted to knock that little white ball around tightly-mown fescue in North Carolina. Both abhorred the high taxes & expensive cost-of-living in New Jersey.
Both were ex-military & good guys. I hated to see them go but glad they're happy down South.
Ask Crisco:
1. Have you ever fired a gun?
2. Do you own a handgun?
3. Why didn't you push for a shall-issue CCW bill?
4. Quote the research that shows the AWB had an effect on crime?
See what he says beyond cliches.
1. Have you ever fired a gun?
2. Do you own a handgun?
3. Why didn't you push for a shall-issue CCW bill?
4. Quote the research that shows the AWB had an effect on crime?
See what he says beyond cliches.
I don't trust him, but if he is the only GOP on the ballot I'll vote for him while holding my nose.
Jackal
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The fundamental problem with our current 2 party system is that they both want to control you. The citizens are supposed to control the govt, not the other way around.
Why does that not surprise me in the least.
Also the only two current (R) guys that I probably could not hold my nose and vote for (having done exactly that the last two times... and that worked out so well).
If anyone needs to learn the lesson, it is the RNC. They were the ones who "mis-counted" the votes in Iowa, then changed the rules (or more accurately, ignored the rules) for the Florida primary, thereby helping to force Romney on all of us.
However, I have no confidence that they have learned anything. As long as Reince Priebus is in charge, nothing will change. We will "somehow" end up with Jeb Bush as the nominee. and the American people will be faced with another Clinton/Bush choice. The media will be thrilled, Hillary will be anointed, and America as we know it will slide into the abyss.
Our only hope is that Bernie splits the left vote like Perot and we have a mirror image of 1992 like some bad si fi channel alternative universe movie
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I would be very tried in my soul if Christy won the nomination.... I'm not sure I could pinch my nose hard enough to vote for him.
At least Bernie Sanders is the real deal.... real deal Socialist that is... but still the real deal... I find that all socialist are ultimately statist however, and personally can't support them.
So far, the only candidates out there that aren't statist and corrupt elitist seem to be coming out of the Tea Party wing of the GOP.... Peary, Paul and Carson.
At least Bernie Sanders is the real deal.... real deal Socialist that is... but still the real deal... I find that all socialist are ultimately statist however, and personally can't support them.
So far, the only candidates out there that aren't statist and corrupt elitist seem to be coming out of the Tea Party wing of the GOP.... Peary, Paul and Carson.
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