Christie vetoes gun ban bills

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Really? You would stay home on Election Day rather than showing up to support WHOEVER opposes the socialist gun grabbing alternative?
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Yeah, much better the gun grabbing is done by a non-socialist statist of some other flavor. That will make it all so much better.

Where would we be today if we had successfully opposed the gun-grabbing socialist in office right now by electing McCain in 2008? Probably looking at a really bad universal background check bill drafted by Chuck Schumer as law of the land.
 
Yeah, much better the gun grabbing is done by a non-socialist statist of some other flavor. That will make it all so much better.
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It is less likely, and I suspect you know that. There is a huge difference between the aggressively pursued anti-gun agenda that will be given to us by the hard left, vs. whatever would be on the other side. There will at least be fierce opposition to anti-RKBA activity from the folks that supported the republican candidate.

The candidate on the other side will have nothing but unbridled support form their base. If you do not see that one is less likely to succeed in anti-RKBA activity than the other, I've got nothing left to persuade you.

When "non-perfect " candidate X is faced with an anti-gun Satan on the other side of the ballot, are you staying home? I'm not. The 3.6 million that did gave us 4 more years of this crap. There is more at stake than RKBA.

I am a senior executive at a financial services firm. Two years ago, this president proposed, got, and signed legislation that put my company out of business. 26 jobs gone, including mine. Now my new company spends the MAJORITY of our time navigating an impossible labyrinth of new regulation, with another round of massive changes coming in January. These are real lives, being destroyed by real policies that do real damage.

Sit on your principles next election if you like, but after being kicked in the groin by this government over the last 5 years, I will not be kept from the polls. And yes, on these other issues, Romney would have been ENTIRELY better.
 
In this most recent fight we had two NRA A rated Senators (Republican and Dem) team up with two NRA F-rated Senators (R and D) to offer more gun control. We had a GOA A+ rated Senator propose an even broader background check. The Schumer bill received 56 votes - had it not been for the desire to limit debate by Reid and a filibuster threat by a few determined Senators, the bill would have passed the Senate.

McCain (Obama's opponent in 2008) was one of the Senators supporting the bill and associated gun control. Christie will sell us out at the first opportunity - just as he already has done to NJ gunowners in the past prior to this.

Since this board doesn't allow more general discussions and is focused on the Second Amendment, I'll just say that I don't care if you walk on water, if you are anti-Second, you will NEVER get my vote - and Christie is anti-Second Amendment - a point that I will make and illustrate with examples every single time this subject comes up in the Primaries or Generals.

Those of you who prize loyalty to the GOP more highly than the Second Amendment should remember that during the primaries; because I am not voting for Christie - just like I didn't vote for Romney or McCain.
 
Earlier Friday, gun control advocate Bryan Miller took a disabled .50-caliber sniper rifle to the Statehouse to demonstrate its destructive capacity.
"These are military weapons designed and manufactured to destroy material targets such as chemical plants, refineries, chemical and rail tanks and passenger aircraft, targets that abound in New Jersey," he said. "A potential attack with a .50-caliber weapon could have a catastrophic environmental impact in the Garden State."

After reading the above, I have a few questions. What is a disabled weapon? Does NJ law define a disabled weapon? Was this weapon demilled to be considered a non-weapon by ATF standards ? Did he have legal possession of the .50 while in NJ ?

I know most of the questions I ask are semantics but I've seen NJ residents arrested for less..........
 
Those of you who prize loyalty to the GOP more highly than the Second Amendment should remember that during the primaries; because I am not voting for Christie - just like I didn't vote for Romney or McCain.
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I have zero loyalty to the GOP, and I resent the generalization. Should he decide to run, I will be investing my money and energy in Rand Paul. If he fails the primary, I will be voting in the general against the greater enemy. I voted against both Romney and McCain in both primary's, but I damn sure showed up and pulled their lever against Obama in the general. Failing to oppose this president has harmed this country more than any administration in history. The notion that either of his opponents would have been just as bad is ludicrous. We may well not survive this administration for at least 7 reasons this forum is not designed to discuss, but they are every bit as urgent to the survival of our republic as RKBA. I'm done with this one.
 
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Ever since I saw him and Obama walking on the beach like best friends I have had nothing for him. He is a RINO, plain and simple.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
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After reading the above, I have a few questions. What is a disabled weapon? Does NJ law define a disabled weapon? Was this weapon demilled to be considered a non-weapon by ATF standards ? Did he have legal possession of the .50 while in NJ ?
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I can't answer most of that, but it looks to me like there are cuts through the receiver.

As to why anyone might do this to a perfectly legal rifle of a type that has never been used in a crime is something I can't understand.

Mr. Miller must have money to burn. (Or certainly the people who send him money do.)

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Ever since I saw him and Obama walking on the beach like best friends I have had nothing for him. He is a RINO, plain and simple.
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is it impossible to believe that maybe he did that because it was BEST for the people of his state, and to get the support (financial, medical, infrastructure) needed to help NJ bounce back as quickly as possible?

I will grant you the other side of the coin exists (RINO-in-training), but in reality this isn't a coin but a multi-faceted die.

While he didn't SAVE us, she sure didn't SCREW us... and as I've said before when it comes to NJ it's all about small moves. You can stand outside and say "it's all or nothing" all you want (and you'll get the nothing side of that cake)... those of us inside know this isn't a fight won in a single day; it's a fight that will easily take a generation or more to reverse completely.
 
What are you going to do when half the people in that state fabricate and/or swallow ignorant misconceptions about gun ownership.

You can only make your voice heard and do your best to change things for the better but unless a significant majority of New Jersey residents decide to support second amendment rights there are going to be compromises.

I think the NJ governor has shown that he is not an extremist by recognizing the wishes of a significant number of NJ gun owners and aknowleging that some, well in this case most, of the proposed legislation is proposterous, punishing to law abiding gun owners, and does nothing to curb violent crime.
 
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I have zero loyalty to the GOP, and I resent the generalization. Should he decide to run, I will be investing my money and energy in Rand Paul. If he fails the primary, I will be voting in the general against the greater enemy. I voted against both Romney and McCain in both primary's, but I damn sure showed up and pulled their lever against Obama in the general. Failing to oppose this president has harmed this country more than any administration in history. The notion that either of his opponents would have been just as bad is ludicrous. We may well not survive this administration for at least 7 reasons this forum is not designed to discuss, but they are every bit as urgent to the survival of our republic as RKBA. I'm done with this one.
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I concur.

I think if most of us had our way, we'd have some sort of libertarian candidate in office- that's not going to happen anytime soon. One can complain about the two-party system, but it's what we have. For anything to be successful, it has to play in that framework. Usually, that means holding your nose when pulling the lever for a particular candidate. You can say that you refuse to play the game, but that's like saying that you refuse to play offense or defense in football; you won't play at all then.
 
I seriously feel like the biggest 'enemy' in this fight isn't the opposition but our own people. I'm glad for those of you who live in a gun owning 'utopia.' The rest of us live in the real world, with real problems and real opposition. We don't like what we have and are working hard to change it, but it's not an overnight process; again you don't want to be. Stop standing outside saying "you suck!" and come over here and help us. Be the extra bodies needed at a rally. Help pack the city and town halls during debates. Patronize the shops, stores and ranges that support our cause. For if you don't I will state clearly and simply, you will all fall too. People are leaving on waves from the areas you hate the most. Guess where they're going? Your back yard. If you don't believe it look at Colorado. You will be next.
 
So, did Christy end up vetoing that monstrous law that would make your 2nd Amendment human rights at the mercy of the nebulous, arbitrary, and unaccountable terrorist watch list? That, to me, was the most worrisome of them all.

TCB
 
So, did Christy end up vetoing that monstrous law that would make your 2nd Amendment human rights at the mercy of the nebulous, arbitrary, and unaccountable terrorist watch list? That, to me, was the most worrisome of them all.
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No.
 
You can say that you refuse to play the game, but that's like saying that you refuse to play offense or defense in football; you won't play at all then.
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What is being advocated by some here is that before Christie has even announced for national office, we all agree to pull the lever for a gun grabber who is OK with denying fundamental civil rights without due process when it is politically convenient. That basically we all do everything we can to reject him in the primary; but before the primary has even started, we tell the RNC that if they pick him anyway (the RNC having changed the rules of the convention in 2012), we will still support their gun grabber.

That's ridiculous. If Christie is such a good deal for NJ, let's make sure he stays there. If NJ gunowners are happy with him, that is win-win for everyone. At the national level we can do much better than a man who supports bans on semi-autos, limited magazine capacity, no use of hollowpoints by civilians, removing your 2A rights due to being on a secret list, etc.

I will never support Christie, so anyone who needs my support to win would do well to nominate a better candidate than Christie. Every time I see a gun owner suggest we support Christie, I am going to make sure everyone understands what kind of heinous restrictions on guns Christie thinks are OK and has campaigned for in NJ.
 
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Gov Christie is not a Conservative. It is almost impossible to imagine that a Conservative could be elected Governor in NJ given demographics. He is more conservative than much of the State. I think he has been a good Governor given what he has to work with, and has ameliorated some of the Democratic excesses of recent years. However, while his last minute snub of Romney and sucking up to the President may have been in the interests of getting Sandy disaster money for his State, it is the most symbolic evidence of his utter unsuitability for the Presidency. I predict however that if the Republicans can finally nominate a real Conservative, Christie might well top the VP candidates list, unless unsubstantiated rumors of campaign finance irregularities become more substantial...

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Every time I see a gun owner suggest we support Christie, I am going to make sure everyone understands what kind of heinous restrictions on guns Christie thinks are OK and has campaigned for in NJ.
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This.
 
Sota, it looks like our mutual point is falling on deaf ears. I never asked anyone here to vote for Christie or support him. I asked that those of you in Texatopia, or wherever, do what you could to help us out over the next few years while we have the ability to manipulate Christie and use his desire to look presidential to our advantage. Then in 2016 you could vote for Rick Perry or whomever meets your standards. Lighten up, Francis.
 
Rick Perry has signed every pro-gun and pro-law enforcement bill that has hit his desk into law.

Has Christie done that?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
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