Christmas with my anti-gun family
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My brother = probation officer with a degree in human development. He was indoctrinated in college. I've always been the conservative, traditional, mountain man type, my brother took the track of sophisticated city slicker.
Generally speaking, people that are in social work tend to be anti-gun, they see guns as adding to the cycle of violence, an affront to the justice system.
Generally speaking, people that are in social work tend to be anti-gun, they see guns as adding to the cycle of violence, an affront to the justice system.
SoCalShooter
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The cycle of violence is the reason we keep getting newer technology on the gun front.
mainebear
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Boy oh boy, don't those liberal anti-whatever nuts burn me up. I think that Zastros & Revolving Cylinder have the right approaches to this problem. If he wants a debate, give it to him. But, at the right place & time.
Also, it is Your Home. They know before they come that you have guns etc.. What insensitive arrogant clods to come into your home for a family event and expect everyone within earshot to listen to their rantings, ravings, bitchin, & moaning, wailing & knashing of teeth. It sounds like this guy has either an overblown sense of self worth, or no respect for you.
Its a shame but we all run into these types. If we hide or change we give the impression that we have something to either be ashamed of, or to hide. After putting up with this kind of treatment myself for years, I now just say to h**l with em, I've got rights too.
Also, it is Your Home. They know before they come that you have guns etc.. What insensitive arrogant clods to come into your home for a family event and expect everyone within earshot to listen to their rantings, ravings, bitchin, & moaning, wailing & knashing of teeth. It sounds like this guy has either an overblown sense of self worth, or no respect for you.
Its a shame but we all run into these types. If we hide or change we give the impression that we have something to either be ashamed of, or to hide. After putting up with this kind of treatment myself for years, I now just say to h**l with em, I've got rights too.
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I hope my brother does not react negatively when we open Christmas presents, I'm expecting a Marlin 22 magnum rifle and I bought my dad a magazine for his P-11 9mm. That'll put it in his face, but oh well, I'm not about the "politically correct presents". 
I say "rock on with Christmas guns".
That'll put it in his face, but oh well, I'm not about the "politically correct presents". I say "rock on with Christmas guns".I say you take a slightly different approach. Just get really drunk and threaten to shoot him if he starts anything.
That, or take the High Road like everyone else suggests.
Just remember that if he insists on starting a fight, you have the moral high ground AND the home field advantage.
I hope you have a nice Christmas despite your ******* brother. Your dad must be very proud of him.
That, or take the High Road like everyone else suggests.
Just remember that if he insists on starting a fight, you have the moral high ground AND the home field advantage.
I hope you have a nice Christmas despite your ******* brother. Your dad must be very proud of him.
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wizard of oz
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family disagreements and arguments are kind of traditional at christmas dinner - at least they are here (must be too hot). It's just a matter of putting up for a few hours...
Stevie-Ray
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You got all the right responses in the first 3 posts.
And then there was Travis Lee!
It pains me to agree with him, but that's just about me!
And then there was Travis Lee!
It pains me to agree with him, but that's just about me!
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I'm always getting picked on too
I always believed in RKBA but never owned or ccw'd till late in life.
Most of my non innernet friends are liberals (& I've lost a few of them due to my hobby) I'll get asked a question like why I voted for GW and answer with the awb issue....& then get told all I think about are guns and there are other issues...they know how I feel and ask anyway.:banghead:
I always believed in RKBA but never owned or ccw'd till late in life.
Most of my non innernet friends are liberals (& I've lost a few of them due to my hobby) I'll get asked a question like why I voted for GW and answer with the awb issue....& then get told all I think about are guns and there are other issues...they know how I feel and ask anyway.:banghead:
jad0110
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In revision of my earlier post, I say not only leave the gun magazines you have out, I'd throw some more around and leave your PC on this thread for all to see!
Expect he WILL react negatively. Then you won't be thrown for a loop when he does.
When you have a chance, read this article. Quite informative:
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml
This may be an example of what psychiatrists call Projection. It is where an individual "projects" their own thoughts, deep or not, onto others around them. Kind of creepy in your brother's case, when you think about it: Maybe he would be the ticking time bomb.
This article is even better than the first:
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/ccw/rage.htm
I hope everyone prints these and/or have them bookmarked. If everyone here reached out to an anti and at least attempted to have a serious, polite discussion on the topic, may be some good can come of it.
The last site is VERY long, but very informative about the internal thought processes of the anti. It also discusses what sound to be pretty effective approaches to communicating with an anti.
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MikeG
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Redneck, Gezzer has a good point. Your brother has a hissy fit over a magazine and he calls you a 'ticking time bomb'?
RioShooter
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My sister is basically a far-left liberal. However, she is also non-confrontational. I'm the opposite, and love a good argument. So it's up to me to avoid politics and guns at family get togethers. I try my best, but it's soooooooooooooo hard to do.
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I'm with Werewolf on this (but I'm kind of an ***** )
I've been picking on my brother since he was able to walk and if he took such an obviously stupid position (ie the anti gun position) AND was volatile about it I would push those buttons every freakin' time I got the chance and playing it off all passive aggressive like; "Brother, I don't understand why you're so upset that you have to disrupt a family get together like this ... and you think I'M the unstable one because I own guns? I guess its a good thing you don't since you can't control yourself!" ... but like I said I'm kind of an *****
Ok, so I'm being a little glib, but I get sick of people like your brother that think because they are passionate about their beliefs it gives them the right to be rude. And we must acknowledge that it is HE that is behaving in a completely socially unacceptable manner. You're not going to "convert" him, so if he's going to be a dick you should put him back in his place ... or make him so uncomfortable that he doesn't come over.
)I've been picking on my brother since he was able to walk and if he took such an obviously stupid position (ie the anti gun position) AND was volatile about it I would push those buttons every freakin' time I got the chance and playing it off all passive aggressive like; "Brother, I don't understand why you're so upset that you have to disrupt a family get together like this ... and you think I'M the unstable one because I own guns? I guess its a good thing you don't since you can't control yourself!" ... but like I said I'm kind of an *****
Ok, so I'm being a little glib, but I get sick of people like your brother that think because they are passionate about their beliefs it gives them the right to be rude. And we must acknowledge that it is HE that is behaving in a completely socially unacceptable manner. You're not going to "convert" him, so if he's going to be a dick you should put him back in his place ... or make him so uncomfortable that he doesn't come over.
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My older sister is much the same and since my father passed away we have had words at Mom's dinner table more than once.
She's so... emotional... on the subject.
In her case it boils down to her FEARS.
An hoplophobe.
Who works for the .gov and KNOWS that only the gov't should own and use firearms.
A man my age (3 years younger than her) who had a good sized collection and who lived two houses behind hers was killed during a home invasion about five years ago; his collection being the reason and object of the home invasion. So perhaps she has valid reasons.
Out of deference to my mother, I refuse to talk about it (sorta) when I visit. Big sister does not stay at my house when she visits, preferring to rent a hotel room. Fine by moi. But, when she does visit, I refuse to "clean up" my act.
Just as I refuse to depend on .gov for protection.
She's so... emotional... on the subject.
In her case it boils down to her FEARS.
An hoplophobe.
Who works for the .gov and KNOWS that only the gov't should own and use firearms.
A man my age (3 years younger than her) who had a good sized collection and who lived two houses behind hers was killed during a home invasion about five years ago; his collection being the reason and object of the home invasion. So perhaps she has valid reasons.
Out of deference to my mother, I refuse to talk about it (sorta) when I visit. Big sister does not stay at my house when she visits, preferring to rent a hotel room. Fine by moi. But, when she does visit, I refuse to "clean up" my act.
Just as I refuse to depend on .gov for protection.
The Deer Hunter
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Give your brother a gun.
I hold my tongue and my wife keeps me well medicated (Scotch and no I don't carry while drinking) when at family functions with her family. At least my wife is neutral to pro (every new gun I buy is a new piece of jewelry or shoes - that's the deal) and her sister is neutral to pro (I think she might actually want a gun for personal protection).
Her parents are antis. When I first got my first handgun I brought it over with the intention of going to the range at some point (basically between a wedding and reception, never had time to go) When I mentioned I had bought a handgun (and was about to show them...) they went ballistic. I left it in my bag and just didn't say anything about it. My wife later told me i shoudln't have said anything. I thought they would have liked it because it was a Ruger Blackhawk and who doesn't love a cowboy gun?
I think they have changed a little though because she bought me an Alessi Leather holster for my Glock for Christmas
Now I wouldn't take anything from my family in my own house. Then again I am known to be opinionated so it would just be expected that even MORE gun mags would be out on the table when everyone came over.
Her parents are antis. When I first got my first handgun I brought it over with the intention of going to the range at some point (basically between a wedding and reception, never had time to go) When I mentioned I had bought a handgun (and was about to show them...) they went ballistic. I left it in my bag and just didn't say anything about it. My wife later told me i shoudln't have said anything. I thought they would have liked it because it was a Ruger Blackhawk and who doesn't love a cowboy gun?
I think they have changed a little though because she bought me an Alessi Leather holster for my Glock for Christmas
Now I wouldn't take anything from my family in my own house. Then again I am known to be opinionated so it would just be expected that even MORE gun mags would be out on the table when everyone came over.
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My older sister basically kicked me out of her socialist household 12 years ago when she discovered I was heeled (legally). I obliged by never going back.
One more reason not to have visit people with whom you have zero in common.
One more reason not to have visit people with whom you have zero in common.
SoCalShooter
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Honestly at this point I have not met a single one in my family. Everyone was in the military, has or does still hunt and still owns guns, perhaps there is some hippie somewhere but I dont know'em.
busy_squirrel
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Don't cover your bench or remove decorations. You aren't changing who you are, you're just not flaunting it.
Hide the magazines. That's doing your part to avoid the confrontation. Other family members will understand that. Your brothers family will look like the jerks if they start something when everyone else knows you tried to accomodate them by putting magazines away.
If the subject comes up, tell them you don't want that discussion at this time because you already know you disagree and this is supposed to be a merry time. Any further breaches of the topic and they will be asked to leave. Stay calm but firm, it's your house. Usually I try to have similar conversations in front of neutral 3rd parties incase the opposing party starts provoking something, then everyone will understand that you're not the mean guy kicking them out, they were warned.
Unfortunately this isn't the time to win an argument, even if you can. This is PR time and as the host, it's your job to at least try to make folks comfortable.
Don't change who you are, just don't flaunt it. When I go to my Anti-mothers house, I keep my coat on to hide my shoulder holster. Every knows there's a gun underthere, but noone complains. It's my respect to her to cover it up, but it's still me to carry. Everyone recognizes that I'm trying to be civil and they respond appropriately.
Hide the magazines. That's doing your part to avoid the confrontation. Other family members will understand that. Your brothers family will look like the jerks if they start something when everyone else knows you tried to accomodate them by putting magazines away.
If the subject comes up, tell them you don't want that discussion at this time because you already know you disagree and this is supposed to be a merry time. Any further breaches of the topic and they will be asked to leave. Stay calm but firm, it's your house. Usually I try to have similar conversations in front of neutral 3rd parties incase the opposing party starts provoking something, then everyone will understand that you're not the mean guy kicking them out, they were warned.
Unfortunately this isn't the time to win an argument, even if you can. This is PR time and as the host, it's your job to at least try to make folks comfortable.
Don't change who you are, just don't flaunt it. When I go to my Anti-mothers house, I keep my coat on to hide my shoulder holster. Every knows there's a gun underthere, but noone complains. It's my respect to her to cover it up, but it's still me to carry. Everyone recognizes that I'm trying to be civil and they respond appropriately.
This is way I see it...
I used to be a die hard anti-gun person. I used to thought I was liberal in social and political view well all that changed when I saw gross misrepresentation of truths by both political parties and mainstream media propraganda.
TV creates more problems for people than guns. Hence I do not have a cable at home anymore. It is mindless. Internet is all I need to read independand news.
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I used to be a die hard anti-gun person. I used to thought I was liberal in social and political view well all that changed when I saw gross misrepresentation of truths by both political parties and mainstream media propraganda.
TV creates more problems for people than guns. Hence I do not have a cable at home anymore. It is mindless. Internet is all I need to read independand news.
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