Citizen's Police Acadamy

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I hope that this is an OK topic for General.

Do any of you have a class put on by your police or sheriff's dept that is like the following? It is way cool!

Several years ago my friend & I signed up for "Citizen's Police Acadamy" which was given by our county sheriff's dept. It consisted of 10 evening class sessions of 4 hours each. Every night was a new subject from drugs to jail tours to gun handling and swat team gear/experiances (my favorite).

I never wanted to miss a session because every evening was so different and interesting. One evening, we were given a lesson on the rules pertaining to "use of force" and "degrees of force". After the class room session, we went into another room with a huge, wall-sized screen and a projector pointing at it from the opposite wall at ceiling elevation. There were 2 instructors. They explained that each of us was going to use a special "gun" that looked, weighed and felt almost exactly like their own duty pistols EXCEPT that it shot an invisible (to our eyes, anyway) beam of light which would be recorded as to timing and where it hit. The lead instructor held up both so we could see that, indeed, they were nearly identical.

Don't get ahead of me now.​

He holstered his duty piece and pointed a finger at me, "Here.", he said and had me come up and pick up the pistol off the table. "You'll be our first shooter. You'll see a situation unfold on the screen and all I want you to do is react to the scenerio as you would as if you were a deputy."

I looked at the pistol and asked, "Is this the laser gun or your duty pistol?" He got a really questioning look on his face and said, "Please put that one down and I'll double check." He checked. He'd gotten it correct. The sheriff told the class, "In the 5 or 6 classes that I've taught, I've never had anyone ask that question before................ but it'll be in every class from now on!" Needless to say, I felt pretty good.

In my scenerio, my partner walks up to a not-very-suspicious convertable with a girl in the driver's seat (only occupant) and is about to ask her what she's doing parked in this warehouse district when up comes a handgun and the driver shoots my partner twice from about 10' and instantly floors the already running/in-gear car. I'm about 10' behind the parked car and draw my "weapon". I take fairly careful - but quick - aim and shoot, once. End of scenerio.

Now comes the critique.:eek:

The sheriff asks the class how I did and no one can really think of anything that I did wrong but the sheriff then said that I should have emptied my gun at her because she's an obvious threat to anyone from now on.

He replayed the scene but this time my beam dot would show up on the screen. As she gets about another 20' from me (35'-40' total) my "shot" shows up on the screen and the scene freezes. I hit her in the neck right along side the headrest post. You could have heard a pin drop......... then I got shot down. The sheriff said, "If that shot had hit 2 inches right, you'd have hit the post and she would had lived to kill again. Next time, empty your gun.

So much for being Wyatt Earp.

The whole purpose of these classes was to help the local citizenry understand the duties, fears, responsibilities and problems associated with being a L.E. officer. They also wanted people to be less afraid of and more accepting of self defense and weapons as tools.
 
My Sheriff's office doesn't put on anything like that. I wish they did, I'd be their with bells on for the free training.

On your performance,I'd say if you shot her in the neck the chances of her living to kill again were pretty minimal. It certainly would have ruined her day. And if the screen froze how were you gonna do anything anyway?

Sounds like fun, good read for me.
 
Some SO's have a actual posse. I've always thought that was a good idea, especially in these times when security alerts from terrorism sometimes cause budgets to crash due to Officer OT.
There are many jobs citizens would be more than able to do like security of dams and bridges, traffic control and vehicle searches as back up to more highly trained officers. Search and rescue as well as escaped and wanted manhunts.
Not trying to come off like a cowboy or anything but there are some applications that a citizen could do with a moderate amount of training that could supplement the 5000 or so county Sheriffs in the country at a time when if each had a 100 volunteers to call on would enhance their abilities greatly at a minimum cost.
 
In high school I was in my local Police Explorer group and at state competition I got to do a series of "Shoot/Don't Shoot" scenarios with essentially that exact system, laser pistol and all. Out of I think five of us that went through the various scenarios I got the highest score (99) and only missed a point because in one situation a suspect kicked my partner and ran off and I didn't verbalize anything.

The one scenario that sticks out in my mind though was one where you are behind a suspect and two guards "walking" down a courthouse hallway. Because of this the "gun" was holstered. Just before entering the courtroom a person on a bench in front of you jumps up and shoots the suspect. I drew and blazed away with the pistol, but the instructors told me only the first shot counts for score. For only having seen the head and a thin slice of the shooter between all the "innocents" in the scenario I managed a kidney shot to the shooter right out of the holster. Have to admit, I was pretty proud of that.

It's a great tool if you can access it. The scenarios can be quite different time to time and they're not all the same, so you have to know how to react to different situations.
 
The FBI office in Columbia, SC has a Citizen's academy. We give CWP classes to the graduates, sometimes.

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I took the course with our local PD a few years ago. We had a "day at the range" and got to shoot a variety of ordnance, including an MP5. We also got to do some simunition FoF exercises with the SWAT team. It's a great program.

In our town, once one has graduated from the Citizens' Academy one is a member of the Alumni Association and can keep involved doing various kinds of volunteer work. I'm on the Community Relations Committee, and we put on presentations on a variety of topics, including anti-gang programs, keeping kids off drugs, avoiding computer scams and identity theft, etc. We also put on bicycle safety programs for kids, serve as "cast" for SWAT team training exercises, support neighborhood watch programs, do citizen patrols just keeping an eye on things, etc.

It's been a great program in our town. If you have something like it in your community, you might well enjoy getting involved.
 
the sheriff then said that I should have emptied my gun at her because she's an obvious threat to anyone from now on.


I would tend to agree with the Sheriff. Your neck shot may or may not have stopped her. You shoot to stop and anyone who deserves to be shot deserves to be shot at leats twice. You should shoot until the threat stops.
 
I attended one in Loudoun County, VA in 1998. Most of it was classroom-based training about what the LCSO did. Each week would be a different topic - drug interdiction, traffic, investigating violent crimes, etc. We did get to go to the firing range one week and put a mag through the duty pistols (HK USP's). I made a nice group on the target.

The last "session" was a ride-along with a deputy. I picked the evening of December 31st - New Year's Eve - the 4 pm to 2 am shift. We had two high-speed vehicle pursuits, one of which ended with a foot chase, several speeders, illegal fireworks (the big mortars going off in someone's back yard in a TH community), a DUI, and a deer hit by a car that had to be put down.

We were told that for the ride-along we couldn't CCW even with a permit. The deputy 1) was mad that I'd obeyed that order, and 2) let me know the shotgun overhead was loaded and ready, and if he got into trouble during a traffic stop I was to pull it out and use it appropriately.
 
Nothing like that here. Sounds like fun. An invite would get me feeling magnanimous to the point of a modest contribution to the Police Benevolent Fund.
 
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