Civilian FN SCAR 16S Now for sale!

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It IS definitely supply and demand. It's just that even if the SCAR fulfills EVERYTHING is purported to do when the dust settles, it's STILL inferior to, at at most equal to, the XCR - at least in my opinion. :)
 
btw, i'm in the market for a new Prius. i don't really think they're worth $30k though. if anyone knows where you can get a new one for $3000, let me know!
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After this week's weather, I know where you can get a low-mileage used one for under $3k, Taliv.

It has a small dent, though...

Mike :evil:
 
did you really have an accident in one this weekend? i assume from your grin everyone is ok

still a bummer :(
 
When the new vw beetle first came out in the late 90's,because of low supply, some were going for over $28,000.now that was a waste :barf:......
 
heh, under 3 hours to go. we'll soon see if this brand of stupidity needs 5 decimal places to be measured. (and if the buyer is also in TN, that'll be an extra $1000 of sales tax, thankyouverymuch)
 
To all those who said the XCR is "better" than the FN-SCAR: In what way is it better? Do you guys have experience with the civvie FN-SCAR to be able to compare the two?

I find it hard to believe that the FN-SCAR is inferior to the XCR just by looking at its specs on paper.
 
There is always going to be some insanity when a new carbine drops, but even after all settles, the SCAR will still be nearly 1000 bucks more than an XCR, which on many levels I think is the better gun
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Only way price will be coming down is if the Columbia, SC, factory starts turning them out for US civilian sales, I think, and I don't know if that's likely to happen, and certainly won't until production for .mil is resolved (since the rifle's only about three years late getting to end users due to SOCOM evolving the requirements as the weapon was almost ready for fielding a couple times).

To all those who said the XCR is "better" than the FN-SCAR: In what way is it better? Do you guys have experience with the civvie FN-SCAR to be able to compare the two?

I find it hard to believe that the FN-SCAR is inferior to the XCR just by looking at its specs on paper.
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I don't think there are a lot of people out there who've really put both a SCAR and an XCR through their paces (and I don't mean just shooting one or both, but really running them hard at something along the lines of at least your better tactical carbine class levels). SCAR did beat the XCR for the contract, though I'm not sure exactly what the respective strengths and weaknesses of the two designs were in final analysis.
 
Only way price will be coming down is if the Columbia, SC, factory starts turning them out for US civilian sales, I think, and I don't know if that's likely to happen,
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The major distributors are taking orders, and they have estimated ship dates based upon ship dates they've gotten from FN. Civilian production numbers are low, wholesale isn't cheap, and demand high. They'll never be cheap, but over $9K is just crazy.
 
I did a write up on the SCAR Vs. XCR back in July. FN brought the SCAR to some dealers and Salt Lake County. Scoring broke down like this when it was all said and done. Once I get my SCAR I want to add a post 5000 round count for both guns, even though my XCR is already past that point and has worked perfectly.

XCR: 5
SCAR: 2
Tie: 3

You can read it here if you are curious: http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1178.0.html

I sure as hell thinks the XCR looks better if nothing else

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Especially the way it looks now :D

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I'd rather just wait to see which of the dozen designs actually becomes a success in the military (and thus on the commercial market/after-market) beofre I buy a 'next-gen' weapon, political/social climate notwithstanding.
 
I love rifles to the point that it is a sickness. I have many and built the majority of them from nothing. That being said I have never and will never pay more or invest more than 2K for any firearm. I really hope the price gouging and insane buying end one day because it is a nice rifle and I would like to own one but not like this.
 
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Sold::eek:
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Now that Motorboy got a rifle I'm sure the prices will settle down.:D
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variablebinary I did a write up on the SCAR Vs. XCR back in July. FN brought the SCAR to some dealers and Salt Lake County. Scoring broke down like this when it was all said and done. Once I get my SCAR I want to add a post 5000 round count for both guns, even though my XCR is already past that point and has worked perfectly.

XCR: 5
SCAR: 2
Tie: 3
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When it comes to equipping an army with weapons to defend your people, FNH's century long history and experience of making weapons for military is worth more then the rifle itself.


My two cents.
 
The biggest advantage, for civilians, XCR has over the SCAR is the cheap caliber conversion. All you have to buy is a barrel, bolt, mags and ammo.

+1.:D
 
To all those who said the XCR is "better" than the FN-SCAR: In what way is it better? Do you guys have experience with the civvie FN-SCAR to be able to compare the two?

I find it hard to believe that the FN-SCAR is inferior to the XCR just by looking at its specs on paper.
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I have only fondled the civi SCAR, and have not dissassembled it. My initial opinions on the design are based on assumptions that the internals on the civi version mirror that of the pics of dissassembled dealer samples that have been out there for a while.

The two key things that stand out to me are:

1) The XCR has a single-unit monolithic upper, with all the rails integrated, and a free floating barrel. The SCAR has a two piece, screwed together upper, with all the rails screwed on, and the 6 oclock rail screwed directly to the barrel. FN says the barrel is free floating, but the pics of the dealer samples out there certainly indicate that it is not. Maybe the civi model has a significantly different design... I don't know. Has anyone on this forum actually bought one?

2) The XCR's bolt and operation are more AK like (3 lug bolt, long stroke piston) while the FN's bolt and action are more AR18-like (many-lug bolt, spring loaded ejector, short stroke action). Personally I think the XCR's action looks more robust, though I'm sure either can take plenty more abuse than an AR15.

I still want a SCAR, but I will never pay a dollar over MSRP for one, and would be hesitant even at that price (and if I did, it would be for the collectibility, not the functionality). Personally, based on what I've seen, I think its a $2k rifle, and that is including some gravy for the FN name.
 
The biggest advantage, for civilians, XCR has over the SCAR is the cheap caliber conversion. All you have to buy is a barrel, bolt, mags and ammo.
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The SCAR has this functionality as well, assuming FN will make the parts. That might be a big "if"; only time will tell.
 
1) The XCR has a single-unit monolithic upper, with all the rails integrated, and a free floating barrel. The SCAR has a two piece, screwed together upper, with all the rails screwed on, and the 6 oclock rail screwed directly to the barrel. FN says the barrel is free floating, but the pics of the dealer samples out there certainly indicate that it is not. Maybe the civi model has a significantly different design... I don't know. Has anyone on this forum actually bought one?
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No. Actually the barrel on the SCAR is free floating. If you go on the FNH site and watch the break down clip you'll notice that the front screws (that keep the lower rail in place), are only SUPPORT screws, not attaching screws. The front of the rail is not welded/screwed to the barrel, it screws into the receiver and the barrel is floating inside there. The four screws at the base of the barrel are the ATTACHING screws.
 
Guys bidding on Gunbroker for these guns at those outrageous prices are RICH NUTS. I think even if I could afford it I wouldnt spend that much on one. I rather have like 4 Nighthawk Custom 1911's or something :).
 
FN's prices....F^@% NO!!!

I was so stoked when I learned about the FN SCAR rifles, anticipating a version for us non-FFA holding folks, but didn't anticipate the price range they would be going for. The first site I found with them for sale they were listed $7-$10K all for the lite(5.56) and no heavies! Even if there were to be some stupid new 'AWB', I won't be kicking myself for missing this one. I'll settle for a Robarms or Magpul Masada, or hold out longer and wait for some aftermarket SCAR butt stock assembly that can adapt to an even less pricey model of rifle I may already have.
The thing I thought was so special about the FN SCAR was that it was modular to convert between different action lengths with an interchangeable mag well section. Was I dillusional on this, because looking closer, I cannot see a seam were the mag well separates? I guess I got confused with COBB's applicant for the SCAR contract? For that matter, we should be more excited about the COBB system, but I don't know the prices on those, but I'm sure they're more reasonable than the FN rifles are going for. Even the Robarms XCR at least has the options of 6.5 and 6.8 calibers already available if you don't want .308 length calibers, let alone 30-06 length, full magnum length and 50 BMG conversion options. Way to go FN, you H&K'd us little guys.
 
heh, if you think the SCAR is bad, wait til you see what the first masada goes for
 
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