Class for Old Folks

I've been in Gunsite classes with older folks. They don't make you do anything that isn't comfortable. If you don't want to kneel or get on the ground, you don't have to...no shame. Their instructors are absolutely professional.

As I said I am not looking for a toned down version of standard classes. For my age (77) I am a relatively mobile person. What limitations I have I am not ashamed of. Life is what it is and I am blessed to be as well as I am. The kinds of ideas I am looking for would probably be beneficial to anyone taking on a more physically imposing adversary. But most young folks probably don't feel the need yet.
 
I don't see why not. Maybe not every possible option but a representative useful collection of options.
So we are back to mindset. Recognizing that a disparity of force is likely present in an attack and reacting accordingly. You have to recognize a threat faster because your response time will be slower. Carrying a cane and knowing how to employ it even if you don't need it for mobility becomes an option. I don't see any change in shooting drills unless there is a specific infirmity that would require it.

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm trying to understand what it is you're looking for. I'm not aware of any "slowed down shooting drills" unless there is a physical reason to change the drill.
 
I don't see why not. Maybe not every possible option but a representative useful collection of options.
There’s no “secret sauce” or list of techniques for the old guys that are simpler and work better than what everyone else is doing. The point of a defensive shooting class is to learn the simplest, easiest to remember, and least likely to fail techniques, and that’s what everyone is learning regardless of age or ability.

The kinds of ideas I am looking for would probably be beneficial to anyone taking on a more physically imposing adversary. But most young folks probably don't feel the need yet.
There’s also no difference between techniques that a younger person would use. Remember we’re not talking about sport fighting, we’re talking about life and death. Anything that would give an older person an advantage against a young attacker would also give a young person just as much advantage (or more). So that’s what is being taught.



A good instructor will work with anyone (young or old) who has physical limitations. If you’re doing a drill and it generally calls for kneeling but you have bad knees, then don’t kneel. There’s no reason to injure yourself just to keep up with the class.

No offense, but it seems like you’ve never been to a real defensive class but want something that caters specifically to you without being able to even define what that looks like. Go take a class and then tell us where it fell short.
 
I wonder if senior centers would have something like that or info on it? My intuition says good judgement which older people seem to have developed to have made it that far, is a good part of staying safe. That being said I've always been a fan of training, having steps to follow, an idea of what to expect, what action may be best, x, y, z. When I'm older I'll want a little 911 button to press honestly. I'll be so ornery if I think I need to engage I might over react and jump the gun and get myself in trouble. If I can hide in a bathroom, click a button and hold on for 5 minutes, that seems like a better option. Heck, I'd like that option now. Do cell phones do that? Never really thought about it.
 
As I said I am not looking for a toned down version of standard classes. For my age (77) I am a relatively mobile person. What limitations I have I am not ashamed of. Life is what it is and I am blessed to be as well as I am. The kinds of ideas I am looking for would probably be beneficial to anyone taking on a more physically imposing adversary. But most young folks probably don't feel the need yet.

This isn’t a toned down class, it’s a full on class.
 
I'm not too big, these days, on waiting for somebody to "teach me" in a formal class setting.

I am, however, very interested in asking questions, looking for answers, experimenting, and learning what works best for me.

There are so many sources of information available today! Casting a net beyond YT or Google has never been easier.

With a little curiosity and creativity, the OP, and the rest of us "gun geezers" can solve our own issues pretty well.
 
Thank everybody for the replies. Apparently what I am looking for doesn't exist. And some seem to feel it can't exist. Maybe I haven't been clear enough about exactly what I am looking for. But I don't know how better to explain it so I will have to give up.

Being one of those olde phartes I recognize my shortcomings. But I refuse to just curl up in a ball somewhere and hide. And while I am out doing things I refuse to be an easy target just because of my obvious age. I will find my answers one way or another even if it takes a bunch of sources. I am going to look into the cane fighting as a start. I don't need a cane but I might start carrying my hiking stick more often. And of course there is what is strapped to my hip which I try to stay proficient with.
 
Personally I know what to do, but my days of "moving fast" are long behind me. I can still shoot fairly well, provided I can see (more on that later).

I know my own abilities better then anyone else, and that includes my different Dr's. I have changed the way I do things as I have found with my own practice. For example I now carry a "lower powered" hand gun as I found it difficult to get a follow up shot as quickly as I wanted. I am just slower and weaker. Where the guns are in the house has also changed. There are no children in our house anymore so guns are more easy to get. If/when grandchildren come over this will need to be changed naturally.

I do agree that training, and playing different "gun games" do more for keeping you sharp. Any "game" that has you moving and shooting, and that will let you finish is where I want to go. I know I am not going to win anymore, I just want for them to let me finish, most local clubs will let you do this if you are a slow mover like I am.
 
I once attended a four-day pistol course with a Vietnam-era triple amputee. This man was in a motorized wheelchair, and only had the use of his right hand. He had a holster built into his chair, and had developed safe ways to draw, reload, etc., within the limits of his disabilities. The instructors worked with him just like any other participant.

The image of this man overcoming his significant obstacles drives me to do everything I can as I deal with the much less significant challenges that I face.
 
This video contains some of Mas' suggestions for "gun geezers".



Thank you very much for that video. That is along the lines of what I am looking for. It would have been great if he had taken it out to the range and expanded on things in an action oriented video.

I really believe there would be enough of an interest among us geezers for a training session along those lines to succeed. And that short video supports my belief that it is possible to put together such a training session.
 
Nobody is going to teach you the attitude.
You can’t duke it out, you can’t flee.
per John Wayne aka J.B. Brooks
Friend, there's nobody up there shooting back at you. It isn't always being fast or even accurate that counts. It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't.
This is very important IMO. I went through a lot of thought before becoming a gun owner (at age 67!), along the lines of would I be able to actually shoot an assailant with no hesitation.

I agree with Jeff, there is not going to be a class that lays out exactly what every senior has to do in a self-defense situation. If you have unlimited funds you can get a personal trainer to work with you, but honestly you are the person you're going to have to depend on in a Situation, chances are you can also figure out what changes you have to make compared to how you may have done things in the past, as luzyfuerza said in post #32.

Regarding physical issues, just like you figure out how to do other things you can no longer do the same way as you used to, you can figure out how to do what you might need to do in a self-defense situation. I'll share my experience with this below, if it helps anybody great, if you think it's dumb, just ignore it.

I already had some physical issues at the time I started shooting, but OTOH I never thought I have to do everything the exact way other people do. The first thing was, in my first handgun class they wanted us to use Weaver stance, which due to multilevel degenerative disk disease in my lower back was painful for me. What my body wanted to do was to stand firm with feet roughly shoulder width apart but facing straight forward and knees slightly bent, at the time I just told the closest instructor I can't do it the way we were instructed, and he said ok, don't worry about it. <shrug>

I was living in Cali at the time and carry permits were not issued to regular people, but by then crime in my neighborhood was already pretty bad, IOW my gun was going to be for home defense. I mentallly went through possible scenarios and figured out what I would have to do, then dry-fire practiced them. For example, my bedroom was at the front of the house, the construction of the windows made security film useless, and I did not want to install bars. So a BG breaking in through one of my bedroom windows would have been inside my bedroom a few feet from me in a couple of seconds. I could not (and cannot) just jump out of bed and immediately do something physical (much less roll off onto the floor and then kneel which I guess would be the standard recommendation), so I decided I would have to stay in bed and be able to shoot from there. Trying different things I found I could fire slightly turned from being fully on my back with one knee raised. I dry-fire practiced that a lot. I worked through all the other scenarios I could imagine in the same way.

Of course, on the street there are an infinite number of scenarios and a person can't rehearse every single one. But however many you can think of, figure out what would be the best response that you can carry out in your current condition, and practice that, and you'll still be ahead compared to just putting on your gun when you get dressed.

I think maybe the two most important things are your situational awareness, and how fast you can draw and get on target. I am hard of hearing and do not hear somebody walking up behind me, so in transitional spaces I keep turning around to look. But before entering a transitional space in the first place I look to see if anything looks out of the ordinary, and if I have any doubts I stay where I am until they resolve, or if I'm in my car just drive away. Re drawing, you have to actually practice using the carry method and position you plan to use on the street. Fortunately you don't have to go to the range for this. I check myself before leaving the house by drawing once or twice while looking in the mirror. I found a slight adjustment in the angle of the holster made a huge improvement.

So, my $0.02.
 
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Skills are skills. Find someone who is willing to work with you on your shortfalls and issues.

If you are seen as a more likely victim due to age, physical ability, size, mobility, physical ability, then you will need help offsetting them.

And do not discount the value of awareness and boldness in situations that may become threatening…it’s often the last thing an attacker expects.

I know Gunsite Academy has a “Seasoned Citizen” 250 Pistol class…if that’s something interesting to you.

www.Gunsite.com

These classes would be my first choice also. I'm in my mid 70s recovering from radical mouth cancer surgery, I don't have the stamina for either the 3-day or 5-day classes; I would love to take their 5-day class, just because. :) I'm fortunate enough to have backyard pistol and rifle ranges, so I've learned what does and doesn't work for me, for instance, I still practice/train with the .357mag, it's a matter of modifying technique. As an example, I'm not able to perform the same techniques as when I was a patrolman decades ago, but a modified Weaver stance allows for my shoulder/body to absorb recoil rather than my wrists would do in an isosceles stance...Glock 17 doesn't matter.

Did you take the 5-day class?
 
These classes would be my first choice also. I'm in my mid 70s recovering from radical mouth cancer surgery, I don't have the stamina for either the 3-day or 5-day classes; I would love to take their 5-day class, just because. :) I'm fortunate enough to have backyard pistol and rifle ranges, so I've learned what does and doesn't work for me, for instance, I still practice/train with the .357mag, it's a matter of modifying technique. As an example, I'm not able to perform the same techniques as when I was a patrolman decades ago, but a modified Weaver stance allows for my shoulder/body to absorb recoil rather than my wrists would do in an isosceles stance...Glock 17 doesn't matter.

Did you take the 5-day class?
I’ve taken Gunsite 250 and 350 classes. Great outfit…first rate!
 
Took a multi-day class awhile back. We did hours of clearance and manipulation drills the first day and the second day, I was feeling the effects in my hands and fingers. It didn't prevent me from doing anything that the class required, but it did cut into my concentration and I felt like I didn't get as much out of the second day as I could have. I think the class would have been more useful if there had been a couple of days in between each of the days of the class. Obviously that's not going to work very well when the instructor or the student has to travel a significant distance for the class, but it could be practical in some situations. There could also be an added benefit in that the instructor could give "homework" where the students practice/review during the down days at home.
 
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