CMP order and new eeeeeevil Garand plan

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I have mailed off my very first CMP order for a Danish Service Grade with VAR barrel.

That one is going to stay original and stay in .30-06.

But I've been doing some evil thinking.

I think I will save up some cash and get another CMP Garand, one of the Rack Grade Danish rifles for $350.

And then, for about $60 more, I will get a black synthetic stock from here.

http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/images/ram_garand.jpg

And then, I'll send the whole thing to Champion's Choice for a new .308 barrel---around $250 or so, shipping, etc.

So, for right at $700, I could have my very own black, tactically correct, .308 super secret stealth Garand.....

Muh-ha-ha-ha-h-haaaaaaaaa

Or, if I want to be really evil and pimp-i-licious, I could do all that, except get a synthetic REALTREE CAMO stock for the thing from here!!!

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Ramline/SynTechSporter.asp


the horror.....the horror...............And yes, I'd do it.

hillbilly
 
I was told by a friend that I could by one of the Garands through CMP with just my C&R FFL.

Is this true?

I've checked their website and can't find any info that confirms this in the eligability requiremnets. I though I had to compete in a sanctioned meet, be a member,etc.
 
Your C&R can be used in lieu of the shoting requiremnts. You must still meet the rest.
 
"I was told by a friend that I could by one of the Garands through CMP with just my C&R FFL." Anybody can buy from the CMP, if you meet their rqmnts. C&R does not help at all.

308 garands can be very nice - have you considerd ultratactical carbon fiber hand guards??
 
Anybody can buy from the CMP, if you meet their rqmnts. C&R does not help at all.
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You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:


* Current or past military service.
* Current or past law enforcement service
* Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
* Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
* Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
* Concealed Carry License.
* Firearms Owner Identification Card.
* FFL or C&R license.
* Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
* Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf
* No proof required if over age 60.
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Call me a pimp and dirty bastard all you want, I want a all black "tacticalized" Garand in .308 too.... Drool....


So with a CCW or FFL/C&R you can skip all the shooting requirements, and just order one? Hmm, sounds nice. What's the cheapest/easiest affiliated club to join, the Garand Collectors Association??
 
Be careful...

If you put a black synthetic aftermarket stock on an M1 Garand, you *may* remove it's C&R eligibility. :(
 
For $250, you could send it off to Federal Ordnance and have it shortened to "Tanker" specs, with a 16" or 18" barrel. They can also mount a Vortex flash hider :evil: .
 
Excellent plan Hillbilly!

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Black tactical stock.........hummmmmmm..............maybe time for me to upgrade! An how about a scout scope mount so I can put my Aimpoint on it?

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A stock change will not remove the rifle from C&R status..not that it matters. Through the CMP, you arent using the C&R to purchase the rifle, simply in lieu of the shooting requirements. I cant see where youd even be required to enter it in oyur bound book.
 
lilysdad, since a C&R licensee is eligible to purchase CMP guns...

Per the rules as listed above, that's why I mentioned the stock change. If you bought the gun from the CMP using your C&R FFL, then it is an entry in your bound book. I've got a letter somewhere from the ATF in my C&R FFL files that talks about C&R eligibility, and how changes in configuration away from that which made the gun collectible in the first place remove it from C&R consideration. (ie, synthetic vs. walnut or birch on an M1 Garand, they were never issued with synthetics) Not trying to pick a fight, just letting folks know what them who enforce the laws say. ;)
 
1) Changing the stock on an M1 does not affect it's C&R status. If you get it from the CMP, you have to log it in your book, but then it is yours to do with as you please.

2) The only thing a C&R is good for when buying a rifle from the CMP is as proof of marksmanship activity.

3) ANY C&R weapon, no matter if it is acquired using a C&R or not, MUST be logged into your bound book.
 
Yep, Dad is right: C&R or CWP is good for buying a rifle from the CMP as proof of marksmanship activity.

That's news to me! Thanks for telling me that I am once again full of it !
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I'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

1) Changing the stock on an M1 does not affect it's C&R status. If you get it from the CMP, you have to log it in your book, but then it is yours to do with as you please.
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And I'll make sure to shred the black-and-white documentation that ATF sent me regarding modifications to C&R rifles. If I can't read it, it didn't happen. :rolleyes:
 
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C&R FFL

Trying to get this straight in my mind. You are only showing the fact that you have a C&R FFL as "proof" to fulfill a CMP requirement which does not require logging into your bound book and not actually purchasing the rifle as a C&R FFL holder which would require that it be logged into the bound book? And I'm guessing this is true because CMP rifles can be shipped directly to approved citizens without the need to go through an FFL holder? Please set me straight if I'm wrong.

Edit: To take it a step further - then since you are purchasing as an individual you can make alterations to the stock or metal(within Class III& '94 ,etc.laws)without repercussions?
 
You are only showing the fact that you have a C&R FFL as "proof" to fulfill a CMP requirement which does not require logging into your bound book and not actually purchasing the rifle as a C&R FFL holder which would require that it be logged into the bound book?
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If you buy an original milsurp Garand (ie. not a Springfield repro) from ANYBODY, regardless of whether you use your C&R licence in the transaction or not, you must log it in your bound book.

Or to put it another way:

ANY C&R that you aquire must be logged in your book. The fact that you actually did or did not use your licence to aquire it is irrelevent. The licence is only used to facilitate an interstate transfer without needing to go through an 01 or 02 FFL, or to negate the need for a NICs check in a face to face transfer.


Be careful...
If you put a black synthetic aftermarket stock on an M1 Garand, you *may* remove it's C&R eligibility.
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I doubt it will because it's not a permanent modification, but even if it did, so what? You'd just log it out as no longer being a C&R. I have a Garand that was converted to 7.62x51. It's very clearly no longer C&R because the caliber was changed. There's nothing illegal about that UNLESS you try to transfer it interstate without going through an 01 or 02 FFL.

( In the case of the aftermarket stock, I'd just put the original back on at time of transfer and ship the replacement stock seperately to err on the side of caution).
 
Bad idea.

Another option would be to leave it in 30-06 and have it sent out to be converted to feed from BAR mags!
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Have you ever sees how much metal is removed from the receiver of an M1 Garand to accept detachable BAR magazines? :what:

BM-59 magazines, ok. M14 magazines, ok. BAR magazines - no way.
 
Hillbilly,

$300 for the Danish rack grade less wood.
$75 for Smith Enterprise to install a U.S.G.I. barrel that you provide
$250 for the M1D barrel/scopebase/rings/handguard combo from Numrich
$30 for a T37 flash hider
$70 for the synth stock
$15 for stock metal

& you're looking at a little over $740 plus shipping, taxes etc...

Or

$300 for the Danish rack grade less wood
$75 for Smith Enterprise to install a U.S.G.I. barrel that you provide
$135 for Exc. condition U.S.G.I. barrel form Numrich
$30 for a T37 flash hider
$70 for the synth stock
$15 for stock metal

& we're talking $625 or so.

But both of those options are in '06

If ya really want a .308 then again Numrich has a new mfg. 24" .308 bbl for around $150

They have a tanker package in .308 for around $225 but I'd estimate the cost of assembly would go up cause it requires some extra care to get right.

still you're in the $600 to $800 range. I wouldn't expect to shoot matches with 'em but it should go bang till it goes ping.

The BAR mag conversion isn't all that reliable from what I'm told. BAR mags are single stack & if you'll look at a loaded en bloc clip you'll notice it feeds the Garand from left to right (or vice versa). Makes a difference in functioning & takes a lot of work to try to redesign it to get it right.

& that C&R status re: the chambering...a barrel switch isn't a permanent mod on a Garand. You can easily switch back to the old barrel if you have the right tools & gauges to do it. But that aside in the mid to late 50's they started experimenting with 7.62 Garands so that'd make it 50 years old any day now. I doubt the ATF will be hip to the difference twixt .308 Win & 7.62NATO so I'm thinking they wouldn't count a .308 barrel as a mod considering both of the previous points I made.

But now if ya wanna get real nasty about a Garand...

Some surplus outfit is selling BM-59 folding stocks. From what I understand they'll fit a Garand with a little work (& your original handguards). Throw on a T-37 flash hider & an M7 grenade launcher & the only thing keeping Sarah Brady from droppin' a dime on you for having an evil assault weapon is that it doesn't accept detachable mags. yep, the good ol' Garand can be outfitted with all the evil features that are listed as belonging to evil assault weapons but 'cause it doesn't accept a detachable mag it's perfectly legal - even if you use a fresh from Springfield Inc receiver.

Course you could go a step further & get it modified to accept M14 mags & still have all the above features as long as it is a USGI receiver but I can see them trying to charge you just to see if it sticks.

Still, yet another reason to love Garands: Sarah Brady can't do nothing about how you dress them up!
 
Some of the things you are discussing.........I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep knowing some of these things happen to M1s.

I thought we were....more civilized...:D


(those black stocks are somewhat seductive howeverD :D :D)


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