Colorado Gun Control Enforcement?

[thefish]

Not sure if this should be in Legal, or Rifl. Mods, please move if it should be elsewhere.

So hypthetically speaking, if the Colorado mag ban passes, I believe everyone is thinking previous mags will be grandfathered in.

Obviously there is hysteria on the AR platform, with things selling at a crazy prices.

If one was to buy 30 round mags now, "pre ban" if you will, and a "CO compliant" AR15 later, would that be legit?

Second question here. Many CO sherrifs have gone on record that they will not enforce any new unconstutional gun control.

How does this play into this new proposed legislation? I'm well aware they can change their position at any time, but lets say the 10-15 round mag ban passes, would any of you CO guys show up at the range with a 30 round PMAG, or buy 10 round mags for the range or wherever, and keep private or dispose of your 30 round mags?

Personally I think most of this stuff will pass, although I hope not. The reason I ask is I've been thinking of buying an AR15. But I don't need/want one bad enough to pay the prices they are going for now. But I an hopeful that in 6 months or sooner, prices will go back to what they were. If the new "CO compliant" AR15 is 15 round, it might be a good idea to have a few 30 round mags already owned.

Thoughts? not looking for legal advice, just opinions.

 

[MachIVshooter]

The bill is basically unenforceable; Unless you have a mag DATED after the bill becomes law (it still may fail), you're in the clear. This ban is odd, in that they grandfather the owners, not the mags themselves. Better in one way, worse in another. All around not good.

As for "CO compliant AR", that'll be any AR; There is no AWB on the table.

The sheriffs are highly unlikely to even attempt enforcement, but I sure wouldn't walk up to a deputy and say "look at this mag I just brought home from Cheyenne" after the law's effective date.

Don't worry about using them at the range.

If you think you're going to get an AR, then get the mags now. Hickenlooper may veto the bill, but don't bet on it. If he does sign it, you'll have to own the mags prior to 1 July 2013. I just ordered a bunch of FAL mags, even though I have not yet acquired the Kel-Tec RFB that will use them. Even though I could most certainly get them after the fact with virtually no chance of being caught, it is legal to do it now, and I can afford to do it now.

 

[mrvco]

I expect that there will be a thriving cash (ie no paper trail) market for mags dated pre-ban (as well as those with no date at all) in all the states surrounding Colorado.

The only mags I own that have a date printed on them are some Tapco 30r AK mags that I bought for a gun I don't own yet. All my Glock, Sig and Mec-Gar mags have no date and I have no way to prove when I bought them...

However I was assured via email by one of our illustrious State Representatives that I had nothing to worry about because ALL mags manufactured after July 1, 2013 would be required to have mfg dates or serial#'s stamped on them. Why? Because that was a requirement written into the law so law enforcement would know that any mags with no mfg date or serial# stamped on them would be, by default, pre-ban (EASY!). So yes, mag manufacturers across the US and World are going to start printing serial#'s and/or mfg dates on their mags, to adhere to a state law, in a state which prohibits them from selling those very magazines in that state.

Yes, this is the caliber of moron we have running our state government right now.

 

[Solo]

So if you make your own magazines (out of metal, or printed plastic) and they don't catch you... are you in the clear as long as you refrain from, say, bragging about it on the internet?

 

[mrvco]

So if you make your own magazines (out of metal, or printed plastic) and they don't catch you... are you in the clear as long as you refrain from, say, bragging about it on the internet?

Well if "they don't catch you" then of course you're in the clear, but I assume you would be considered a manufacturer and you would be required (by law) to include a serial# and mfg date on the mags you produce.... but it seems like that would be self-incriminating, unless you were making them for law enforcement or some other entity that could legally possess them.

We're all going to wind up being honorary deputies of our county Sheriff departments before this is all said and done

 

[MachIVshooter]

So if you make your own magazines (out of metal, or printed plastic) and they don't catch you... are you in the clear as long as you refrain from, say, bragging about it on the internet?

Well, unless it was a magazine that was designed after the effective date of the bill (proprietary for a new platform, not something that could have been your own design for a gun existing before July 1, 2013), they'd have no way of proving you didn't own it prior. They can suspect it. Heck, they can even KNOW it. But if they can't prove it, they got nuttin'.

We're all going to wind up being honorary deputies of our county Sheriff departments before this is all said and done

We were discussing that just last night at my buddy's place.

They may actually go for it, though I expect they'll stop short of signing off on post-'86 full auto under department letterhead.

If you were a sheriff, would you object to having thousands of citizens you can call on to help with crowd control or traffic under chaotic circumstances?

 

[mrvco]

I just wonder how hard it would be to attach some sort of status to CCW permits.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I just wonder how hard it would be to attach some sort of status to CCW permits.

Status of what? They can't come into my home and count magazines, unless the government wants to fund a lavish retirement for me at the ripe old age of 31. 4th amendment violations are still a pretty serious offense, with correspondingly serious punitive awards.

 

[mrvco]

Since your CCW permit is issued by your Sheriff, status as an honorary or volunteer deputy.

 

[Solo]

Well, unless it was a magazine that was designed after the effective date of the bill (proprietary for a new platform, not something that could have been your own design for a gun existing before July 1, 2013), they'd have no way of proving you didn't own it prior. They can suspect it. Heck, they can even KNOW it. But if they can't prove it, they got nuttin'.

Sounds like it's time for folks in Colorado to buy a few 3-D printers. They're probably cheaper than ARs by now.

 

[MRH]

Many gun clubs/ranges in CO require members to have NRA memberships. If someone at a range objects to a shooter using a high cap magazine, I'd let the club's officers know about it. If they in turn say high caps could not be used, I'd let the NRA know about it, so they could revoke the clubs credentials, denying the club and its members of participation in NRA events.

Before this latest mess started, I have had a couple of shooters object to what I was using. I politely informed them to go to another range so I wouldn't bother them.