Colt Goverment Model - Colt Perfection

[Cameron Lamont]

Colt Goverment Model 1991 Series 80
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7 shots 15 yards


Stock Colt.


Got a new camera just playing around.
Cameron

 

[Wildalaska]

Yeah well Colt is going bankrupt, they are mean to gun writers, Kimbers are better, Colt QC is down, so you are simply not telling the truth about that gun (and thats a photshopped pic too, a real colt would have the rollmark crooked)..

WildidratherhavearockriverAlaska

 

[Rob96]

Also with the way them Colts rattle because of loose slide to frame fit,THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE IT SHOOT A GROUP LIKE THAT. They really shoot patterns. But I'll still keep my Colt and I'm lookin' for another.

 

[nero45acp]

I've owned SA's, Kimbers, Dan Wesson's, and Colt's, and the Colt's were the only ones that were stone cold reliable! I won't buy a 1911 if it doesn't have the horsey!







nero

 

[Border]

To tell the truth, I really don't care if another .45 is technically better! Nothing beats a Colt. They are the "Harley" of guns IMHO.

 

[wally]

Colt's Series 80 fireing pin block de-activates off the trigger, Kimber's series II fireing pin block de-activates off the grip safety. Guess which has the better trigger?

--wally.

 

[Tim]

The Colt trigger...

 

[wally]

The Colt trigger...

Not a chance. Guess again. Unless you are Talking pre Series 80.

I'm 1 for 3 on Colts needing work to be reliable out of the box with anything other than ball. 0 for 3 on Kimbers. YMMV

--wally.

 

[NMGlocker]

Nothing beats a Colt. They are the "Harley" of guns IMHO.

They cost too much money, run like crap, and leak oil all over the place?
To own one do I have to be a middle aged yuppie pretending to be a bad-boy, wearing more dead cow than an 80's hair band?

 

[Tim]

My Colt has thus far experienced no failures, and has a good trigger.

 

[nero45acp]

I have to admit that my Kimber did have a better trigger than my Colt's (even the 70's). However, that was small consolation for the numerous/frequent FTE that the Kimber suffered from!






nero

 

[Cameron Lamont]

The slide does have a click click when it moves from side to side at the rear of the slide. However, the barrel, when in battery is very tight with absolutely no discernable movement when pressing down or side to side on the chamber. So if the barrel locks up tight then it doesn't matter if the slide has moved 1mm left or right between each shot as the sights should still be aligned with the barrel.

I had a local Gunsmith check the pistol when I had the grip screw bushings removed (I now have slim carry grips on it) he asked where I had the trigger done... I told him it is a stock Colt. "Wow" Then he checked the lock up the same way as I did (attempting to move the barrel while in battery) and said "wow this gun is tight, they are making good Colts these day''.

I took about 30 seconds between each shot of the group and was grinning the whole time!
I tried to duplicate it and managed this group after 6 or 7 attempts remembering too they are with Winchester White box from Walmart:


Additionally I have fired 480 rounds through it so far. 400 Winchester Wihte Box and 20 each of Hydra Shoks, Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, Ranger 'T-series' absolutley ZERO FAILURES to feed or extract.

Regards,
Cameron

 

[ChiefPilot]

They cost too much money, run like crap, and leak oil all over the place?
To own one do I have to be a middle aged yuppie pretending to be a bad-boy, wearing more dead cow than an 80's hair band?

 

[Cameron Lamont]

Another one:

 

[Soap]

That is my primary carry gun. The NRM Colt is a great gun!

 

[wally]

I have to admit that my Kimber did have a better trigger than my Colt's (even the 70's). However, that was small consolation for the numerous/frequent FTE that the Kimber suffered from!

Spend a few minutes adjusting the extractor. 1911Tuner has posted really good instructions on this forum.

Getting the internal extactor right takes good materials, quality maching and a bit of skilled labor, not IOS9000 paperwork and a trained monkey on the assembly line with an MIM "precision" part. That's probably why the trend is towards some form of external exctactors on recent 1911s.

I've only one 1911 with an external extractor -- Kimber Ultra Ten II, had to replace the mag springs to get reliable feed -- another thing that should never be needed on a new gun! Seems fine now, but too early to tell how well the external extractor will work out but the gun easily out shoots either of my two Series 80 Colts despite the handicap in shorter sight radius and I'm betting the trigger is at least 99+% of the reason.

I'm not anti-Colt, but they can't obtain perfection as long as they stick with the Series 80 fireing pin block system IMHO. The grip safety de-activated system Kimber uses was invented by a Colt employee and the patent has expired, I can't see why Colt has ignored it. The Kimber trigger is as close to perfection as I've seen yet out of the box on any mass produced gun, but other issues keep the guns rather far from perfection.

One can say the firing pin block is "unnecessary" but the "drop safe" testing required for sales in several states mandates it.

--wally.

 

[Border]

The the Series 80 fireing pin block system is of no consequence in my opinion and far overblown in terms of its so called effects on the trigger. Blindfolded, most couldn't tell the difference.

 

[Nightcrawler]

I think the trigger on my series 80 Colt NRM Gov't Model is fine, as is the SA trigger pull on my CZ-97B. Both are noticibly better than the trigger of a Springfield Mil-Spec I examined at a shop once.

 

[Redhat]

Speaking of Kimber...I seem to recall their selling point (when originally introduced) was to have all the trick parts at an affordable price. My friend let me shoot his Clackamus gun and I really liked it. Now they are through the roof...so what happened?

I have a '70 series and wouldn't trade it for anything

 

[Rob96]

Colt's Series 80 fireing pin block de-activates off the trigger, Kimber's series II fireing pin block de-activates off the grip safety. Guess which has the better trigger?

My Colt has a crisp trigger pull of around 4.5#. Plus the Series 80 safety seems to be a more reliable fp safety than the Schwantz safety.

 

[444]

Series 80 Triggers.
Another internet crock.
We have such discriminating tastes that we can tell the ultimate possible trigger from one that is simply very good. And we know this is critical in a defensive handgun.
I have a Series 80 Colt that has been my main go-to handgun for the last 10 years plus. I have carried it concealed and openly. I have shot IPSC with it, I have shot IDPA with it, I shoot steel matches with it, I have taken Gunsite 250 with it, I have taken Frontsight's Defensive Pistol class with it. But most importantly I have fired who knows how many rounds through it: 20k, 30k, 50k ? I honestly don't know. What I do know is that however many times I have pulled that trigger has given it an old fashioned trigger job: it is now too light.
I sent a Springfield Armory "Loaded" (that was a total lemon) down to Clarks to have it worked on including a trigger job which I specified that I wanted it to be 4 1/2 pounds. If I shoot the Springfield, then shoot my Colt, my first shot usually goes into the ground because the trigger is too light.

My opinion only: Unless you are a serious bullseye competitor, forget about this trigger crap. Spend the time you currently waste worrying about subtle differences in triggers and spend it shooting. It will be a far more productive use of your time.

 

[Soap]

444- Whatever. But my dad can beat up your dad

 

[Wildalaska]

Whe they leave our shop ya cant tell the diff btw a series 70 and series 80 trigger...

WildthatsthatAlaska

 

[wally]

Blindfolded, most couldn't tell the difference

Surely you jest. I could line up my Norinco, Series 80 Colt, Series 70 Colt and Kimber TLE II (all full size 1911s) and if you couldn't rank order the triggers same as I've listed from worst to best you must be wearing gloves or should see a neurologist about your lack of a sense of touch.

Would any of these triggers make a difference at a car length or less under high stress? I'd doubt it, some might even say the TLE II trigger is "too light" for a defense gun.

When someone claims perfection, expect naysayers.

I shoot the Kimbers by far the best, if some one want's to loan me a Ransom Rest we could find out how much of the difference is the trigger and my eyes/hands vs. how much is the guns

Trigger, safeties, sights, finish, caliber, size, weight, etc. these are all factors that make one gun better than another to me. We could simply agree to say "buy what you like" and be done with it, but then these forums would be rather boring

Whe they leave our shop ya cant tell the diff btw a series 70 and series 80 trigger...

I'd have to feel it to believe it, but with customized triggers its likely more the skill of the smith than the maker of the gun that matters -- I bet you could make my Norinco as good too -- not the Norinco trigger is terrible, actually its pretty impressive for the price.

--wally.

 

[Cameron Lamont]

YAWN



So anyway, who liked the pictures of my new pistol?

Cool group huh?

Cameron