wally
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If you didn't want a discussion why'd you claim perfection? Or are you only claiming this is the best Colt can do?
Good pic.
--wally.
Colt Goverment Model - Colt Perfection
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If you didn't want a discussion why'd you claim perfection? Or are you only claiming this is the best Colt can do?
Good pic.
--wally.
Cameron Lamont
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I have noticed people with Kimbers get mighty defensive when I step to the line with my COLT... didn't think they would do it online too. C
My Colt NRM Combat Commander has a nice slide to frame fit and has accuracy on par with my SIG 225. So far, the Colt has been 100% reliable with 230 grn Remington FMJ. I like it so much that my next 1911 will most likey be a Colt NRM SS Governnment Model.
dandean316
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What'd you expect? It's like American Handgunner around here.
I like my Kimber Gold Match (no II) so much I may buy another in stainless. I wouldn't trade that for anything. But my Defender has been great, and my Series 70 repro can shoot like that too. Of everything on my list, most are Colt's.
Yup, if it wasn't for wasting my companies time on this site, I'd have very few posts. Off to the range my friend!
BluesBear
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I've had several people remark how nice my trigger pull is without all of the Series 80 stuff.
The trouble is, it's all still there.
I am using the stock Colt sear with a Sistema hammer. Full cock notch has not been touched.
I have tried more than a few 1911 pattern pistols from other manufacturers that don't have a trigger pull as nice as my Colt Series 80.
The trouble is, it's all still there.
I am using the stock Colt sear with a Sistema hammer. Full cock notch has not been touched.
I have tried more than a few 1911 pattern pistols from other manufacturers that don't have a trigger pull as nice as my Colt Series 80.
"Surely you jest. I could line up my Norinco, Series 80 Colt, Series 70 Colt and Kimber TLE II (all full size 1911s) and if you couldn't rank order the triggers same as I've listed from worst to best you must be wearing gloves or should see a neurologist about your lack of a sense of touch."
Anyone could rank order the triggers of their OWN guns but I'd bet that if someone handed you a Series 80 but cosmetically it looked exactly like a 70 etc. you would try it and say: 'Sweeeet!!!...."
Anyone could rank order the triggers of their OWN guns but I'd bet that if someone handed you a Series 80 but cosmetically it looked exactly like a 70 etc. you would try it and say: 'Sweeeet!!!...."
Rob96
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Before I purchased my Colt, I was seriously looking at a Kimber TLE II. Two things I didn't like about it, 1. the finish was wearing just from being handled, 2. the trigger felt very gritty. I was about to purchase a Springer when the guy behind the counter went into the back and asked me to look at the Colt first. Between how sweet the trigger was and how nice the Colt felt in my hand, I knew I had a winner.
dandean316
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7 shots 15 yards
1911Tuner
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Goodness Gracious!
You fellers!
Arguin' over a half-pound or so on a 1911 trigger...and that a Series 80
trigger is worse than a pre-80 trigger....
Take one of each to a good trigger man and have him do his best...If
you can tell the difference between the two when ya shoot'em back to back, I'll pay for both trigger jobs. A test with a good gauge will prove'em to be within 2 ounces of each other...or about the force ya need to blow out a half-burnt match.
Out of box comparison is apples to oranges. They can vary a pound from gun to gun with consecutive numbers...and if a 5 pound trigger breaks clean and smooth, you'll swear it's 4. If both break clean, it's hard to feel the difference.
4 pounds is too touchy for a carry gun. 5 pounds is better. 6 pounds, clean
is about perfect.
Cheers all!
Tuner
You fellers!
Arguin' over a half-pound or so on a 1911 trigger...and that a Series 80
trigger is worse than a pre-80 trigger....
Take one of each to a good trigger man and have him do his best...If
you can tell the difference between the two when ya shoot'em back to back, I'll pay for both trigger jobs. A test with a good gauge will prove'em to be within 2 ounces of each other...or about the force ya need to blow out a half-burnt match.
Out of box comparison is apples to oranges. They can vary a pound from gun to gun with consecutive numbers...and if a 5 pound trigger breaks clean and smooth, you'll swear it's 4. If both break clean, it's hard to feel the difference.
4 pounds is too touchy for a carry gun. 5 pounds is better. 6 pounds, clean
is about perfect.
Cheers all!
Tuner
Cameron, NICE PICTURES!!! Nice Colt as well!
Series 70 vs. 80 arguements....
Unless your lightening a trigger pull below 3 lbs for competition you can't tell a difference. Anything less that 3lbs or 4lbs for that matter on a defense gun or combat gun is crazy. I just compared two gun, one a series 70 and one a series 80, both customized by two separate but well know gunsmiths. I couldn't tell a difference between the two and I'm extremely sensitive to trigger pull.
Series 70 vs. 80 arguements....
Unless your lightening a trigger pull below 3 lbs for competition you can't tell a difference. Anything less that 3lbs or 4lbs for that matter on a defense gun or combat gun is crazy. I just compared two gun, one a series 70 and one a series 80, both customized by two separate but well know gunsmiths. I couldn't tell a difference between the two and I'm extremely sensitive to trigger pull.Black Majik
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OMG.... what the hell's goin' on in here.
For some positive review, Cameron, great pictures. I truly do enjoy those pics. I also have a Series 80 NRM government with a Mccormicks trigger and a 4# trigger on it. Off hand the colt does do great groups and is a very very reliable gun.
I'm surprised to see a lot of Colt bashing in here. The ONLY 2 1911's I own are Kimbers and Colts. And seriously, there shouldn't be any bashing from one brand to another. Both to me serve different purposes.
But in the end, the colts do look better.
btw, I like the title "Colt Perfection." Although the phrase doesn't really "ring", they are a lot closer than Glock.
JMHO of course.
For some positive review, Cameron, great pictures. I truly do enjoy those pics. I also have a Series 80 NRM government with a Mccormicks trigger and a 4# trigger on it. Off hand the colt does do great groups and is a very very reliable gun.
I'm surprised to see a lot of Colt bashing in here. The ONLY 2 1911's I own are Kimbers and Colts. And seriously, there shouldn't be any bashing from one brand to another. Both to me serve different purposes.
But in the end, the colts do look better.
btw, I like the title "Colt Perfection." Although the phrase doesn't really "ring", they are a lot closer than Glock.
JMHO of course.
Tamara
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First: Beautiful pistol, and beautiful pictures, too!
Second: No failures out of the box with JHP? Impossible! It's a 1911!
Third: To the quibblers: Wish I only liked one brand of 1911, and was happy with stock guns. My life would be so much cheaper...
Second: No failures out of the box with JHP? Impossible! It's a 1911!
Third: To the quibblers: Wish I only liked one brand of 1911, and was happy with stock guns. My life would be so much cheaper...
DHart
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Cameron... great pics, great gun. The new Colts are really nice guns... I've got a BUNCH of 'em and really love 'em. I also have a few Kimber series 1's and a few Springfields.
Those who bad mouth the new Colts are either ignorant, irresponsible, immature, just have an ax to grind, are trying to be irritating to others, or all of the above. Of course as with ANY gun from ANY maker, there are occasional lemons... and Colt is no better than any other brand in this regard. But it is a fact that the new production Colts are great pistols with an out of the box reliability that few other 1911 brands can match. I know this from first hand experience, not hearsay. And the Series 80 trigger is just fine, nearly iimpossible to tell from a series 70 trigger all other factors being equal. And in the hands of an action specialist, they can be made into fantastic as well.
SO those who don't know, be wary of people who say Series 80 Colts don't have good triggers... it's nonsense. 1911Tuner probably knows 1911's as well, if not better, than anyone else on this forum... you can take his experience and knowledge to the bank.
New Colts aren't easy to find, but when you find them, it's a wonderful find indeed. The feel is unmistakeable... strange as it sounds. The reliability is fantastic. THe history and charisma is wonderful.
Here's another recent production 1991A1, this time in stainless. I paid about $625 for it new. It did come with a long polymer trigger and I much prefer short triggers made of steel... so I switched mine out as well as switching to an arched MSH, my preference. Fit, finish, feel, accuracy, and reliability are wonderful!
Colt 1991A1 NRM Stainless (Casull short trigger, Masen Arched serrated MSH, Ahrends Smooth Kingwood grips)
Those who bad mouth the new Colts are either ignorant, irresponsible, immature, just have an ax to grind, are trying to be irritating to others, or all of the above. Of course as with ANY gun from ANY maker, there are occasional lemons... and Colt is no better than any other brand in this regard. But it is a fact that the new production Colts are great pistols with an out of the box reliability that few other 1911 brands can match. I know this from first hand experience, not hearsay. And the Series 80 trigger is just fine, nearly iimpossible to tell from a series 70 trigger all other factors being equal. And in the hands of an action specialist, they can be made into fantastic as well.
SO those who don't know, be wary of people who say Series 80 Colts don't have good triggers... it's nonsense. 1911Tuner probably knows 1911's as well, if not better, than anyone else on this forum... you can take his experience and knowledge to the bank.
New Colts aren't easy to find, but when you find them, it's a wonderful find indeed. The feel is unmistakeable... strange as it sounds. The reliability is fantastic. THe history and charisma is wonderful.
Here's another recent production 1991A1, this time in stainless. I paid about $625 for it new. It did come with a long polymer trigger and I much prefer short triggers made of steel... so I switched mine out as well as switching to an arched MSH, my preference. Fit, finish, feel, accuracy, and reliability are wonderful!
Colt 1991A1 NRM Stainless (Casull short trigger, Masen Arched serrated MSH, Ahrends Smooth Kingwood grips)
cracked butt
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Dang, nice guns.
DHart
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Thanks Cracked.... don't encourage me... I have too many cool pics of my guns! Ok... here's som'ore:
Colt Series 70 - new production/re-issue (Kimber DD Rubber Grips & Colt 2-hole trigger)
Colt Series 70 - new production/re-issue (Kimber DD Rubber Grips & Colt 2-hole trigger)
I've shot two Series 80 Colts, both Gold Cups admittedly, and the first had a fantastic smooth trigger, while the second had an I've-died-and-gone-to-heaven perfect trigger. Anyone who says a Series 80 trigger cannot be made outstanding is, in my humble opinion, simply wrong.
I did. I really like the looks of the new roll mark Colts. I would get one in a minute if I didn't have a series 80 gold cup and Springfield armory re-built and made to function reliably by a top gunsmith. It also appears that you dont need any accuracy work at all.
As soon as the series 80 safety came out a whine went up in the gun magazine that it was impossible to get a good trigger pull. Almost immediately the 1911 smiths figured out how to do a fine trigger job on the series 80s but the experts in the gun magazines continue to say that it can't be done.
One time, in the course of writing an article about Colt Series 80s, I measured the pull with the safety in place and then removed - No difference in pull at all and I said so in the text. Whoever wrote the captions for the pictures was a gun expert and wrote " The series 80 safety prevents getting the best trigger pull."
As soon as the series 80 safety came out a whine went up in the gun magazine that it was impossible to get a good trigger pull. Almost immediately the 1911 smiths figured out how to do a fine trigger job on the series 80s but the experts in the gun magazines continue to say that it can't be done.
One time, in the course of writing an article about Colt Series 80s, I measured the pull with the safety in place and then removed - No difference in pull at all and I said so in the text. Whoever wrote the captions for the pictures was a gun expert and wrote " The series 80 safety prevents getting the best trigger pull."
gulogulo1970
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Very pretty gun. I own a Kimber have owned Colts. Swore them off after a couple of bad ones I bought in the early 90's. Might have to change my mind about that, it has good looks and shoots. Wow, who would have thought Colt could come back so far. Crap! add another to the must have wish list.
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