Colt Navy 1851 model C1121 what year mfg?

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K.A.T.

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:DIt arrived today! I bought a Colt Navy 1851, it has the box,outer cardboard sleeve over the box,all the papers,the gun is emaculate.I could not be any happier with it,I just had to tell you guys about it.The box is marked as model #C1121.Serial #97xx. Even the box and papers look great. Can someone tell me what year this Colt was made? I bought it to shoot, what is the normal load, powder charge, ball size, cap size, 10 or 11? The barrel wedge is colored like the frame,I have not seen this before. The silver is tarnished some, will brasso clean it up, or do I need something else?
 
I have no idea about the date of manufacture or any of that other stuff, K.A.T., but I'd use silver polish instead of brasso on any silver on it. ( Brasso has ammonia in it, and that usually doesn't react well with silver. )

Sounds like a nice gun, one way or the other.
Get with the picture-taking so we can see it. :D


J.C.
 
birth dates

Is this of use ? Found online somewhere.
if it is an Italian replica, there will be a box somewhere on it
with two letters or roman numerals. these will date the revolver.
1945 1 1981 AH
1946 2 1982 AI
1947 3 1983 AL
1948 4 1984 AM
1949 5 1985 AN
1950 6 1986 AP
1951 7 1987 AS
1952 8 1988 AT
1953 9 1989 AU
1954 X 1990 AZ
1955 XI 1991 BA
1956 XII 1992 BB
1957 XIII 1993 BC
1958 XIV 1994 BD
1959 XV = BE
1960 XVI 1995 BF
1961 XVII 1996 BH
1962 XVIII 1997 BI
1963 XIX 1998 BL
1964 XX 1999 BM
1965 XXI 2000 BN
1966 XXII 2001 BP
1967 XXIII 2002 BS
1968 XXIV 2003 BT
1969 XXV 2004 BU
1970 XXVI 2005 BZ
1971 XX7 2006 CA
1972 XX8 2007 CB?
1973 XX9 2009 CC?
1974 XXX 2010 CD
1975 AA
1976 AB
1977 AC
1978 AD
1979 AE
1980 AF
 
This is from an old edition of the Blue Book: Model C1121

Started 1971 with ser.no. 4201

Ended 1978 with ser.no. 20900

I can't get any closer, but if the production was linear, you could graph the numbers or you could do ratio/proportion to approximat the date.

There were no foreign proof marks or dates on these guns.
 
Pictures

Well I don't have a camera right now, but I will get one and send some pictures.There is a household product that everyone has around that wipes tarnish right off of silver,but I can't remember what it was.
 
I can't get any closer, but if the production was linear, you could graph the numbers or you could do ratio/proportion to approximat the date.

That would come out to about late 1975 - early 1976, wouldn't it?

Oh, and K.A.T., Wright's silver polish is what we always use around here.


J.C.
 
As for your other needs, the following may be helpful:

The ball diameter is the size that will shave a very small ring of lead from the ball as it is seated. In my 3rd generation, (or second-half 2nd generation, depending on how one wants to categorize them) I use 0.375" round balls.

You could use anywhere from about 14 grains of FFFg up to about 29 grains of FFFg, perhaps with a filler on the lower end. In practice, I like an 18 grain load of FFFg Goex, with 1000+ lube over the ball. It would be difficult to get too much real black powder in one of these, with the modern steels, but why? The lighter the charges, the longer the thing will stay tight and last.

The Colt guns, of which I have 7, were virtually hand assembled with workmanship, parts hardness, and bluing done to Colt's strict standards. Colt did in-house work and in-house QA on the guns. They may very well be better, in many respects, than the original 19th century guns. They bear no foreign proofs or dates because they were made, essentially, in the U.S. and are considered genuine Colt guns.
 
1975 sounds about right to me, wow, thats a long time to lay around and wait to be brought to life. Has anyone seen wedges that are case color harden ( I think thats the right name ) to match the frame on a Colt? I have not noticed it in any pictures I've seen.
 
I forgot about the cap size. Traditionally, revolvers shot #10 and rifles #11. However, the modern tendency has been to make everything shoot a #11 so that manufacturers and merchants have an easier time with stocks. Did you ever try to get #12 caps these days? Well, good luck.

Many caps nowadays are not exactly standard: some brands run loose and some run tight, even on an accurately sized nipples. Try Remingon #10s first, and if that is too tight, try the #11s. CCI and RWS make good caps, but many brands are a lot hotter than needed for the short flash distance of a revolver and especially for use with Real Black Powder; it ignites very easily. If you shoot Pyrodex (ugh!), I suggest you shoot RWS caps, they are nice and hot.

The barrel frame should be blued and the wedge should match that. Is the wedge numbered to match the frame? If so, and the number style matches the frame, then it is probably O.K. If the wedge is not numbered, then it is likely a replacement wedge.
 
Be careful of that silver plating - it doesn't take much polishing to wear it off.

Use a quality silver polish and then coat the parts, including the wood, with a non-abrasive paste wax, such as Johnsons (available at most supermarkets) to retard tarnishing.

Colt expected most owners would keep them as collectables. "Shooting" guns are better served by hard chrome plating the straps, that looks like silver but wears much better.

While it may not matter, keep in mind that the day you start shooting it the collector's value will drop like a rock in a pond. This is not necessarily bad so long as you understand and accept the loss.

"C" series revolvers are considered to be genuine Colt's, and are called "re-issues," rather then "reproductions," or "replicas." Serial number 97xx was made during 1973, within a serial number range running from 8,301 to 10,800.
 
Thanks Guys, It is very nice, I have two other BP revolvers, a signature 1860,and a Uberti World Class 1858. I haven't got to shoot the 1858 yet. I think I'll take some time to think about shooting the Colt 1851.I've got to have a Walker to shoot, I've bought these 3 revolvers in 2 months, and my loving wife tells me I'm done for this year. Maybe a Walker for Christmas.
 
How about Tarn-X for the silver? You see commercials for it now and then. They take some old, black, nasty looking silver spoon, dip it in Tarnx, and it comes out looking like new.

Now, Bad Flynch, leave some of those Colts for the rest of us!

K.A.T., would you mind telling us where you got it, and how much?

Also, does anyone know a good place to look for 2nd Gen. Colts, other than Gunsamerica?
 
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Hi Mike, I bought this gun on Gunrunners Auction on Tuesday night.You can visit this site and go to lot# 88 and view the auction and the gun.I do know where there is another 4 digit serial# 1851 for $499.This one does not have a box with it but it looks real nice also.I know where there is two more that has the boxes with them but I don't know what the serial #'s are, they are also $499. There is one on Gunbroker starting at $350 but you need to read the feedback on the seller before placing a bid.I paid $480 for the one I got,plus shipping and a 15$ auction fee.If you want more info on the other guns let me know.There is also a 1861 Colt Signature Series for $499.
 
>would you mind telling us where you got it, and how much?<

If it will help, Natchez has Signature Series revolvers for sale right now. They bought out the last of the guns from Colt and are moving them out. Try www.natchezss.com . They will sell to anybody outside of their wholesale area.
 
Those are some good prices, KAT. The ones on Gunsamerica are often overpriced. There's a 2nd Gen. '51 Navy on there right now for $860, and it looks pitted. So do all of the other guns this particular seller has had on there, and he wants way too much money for them. He tried to sell them a couple of months ago, but I guess he didn't have any takers.

Thank you both for the info.
 
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