Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
In the Nov 2004 Combat Handguns, there is a reveiw of the Guardian in 25NAA, a necked down .32 to .25 that leaves the gun at 1200 fps. Cool right?
The gun is supposed to be easy to shoot and the author, Mike Detty, includes images of his girlfriend shooting the gun and then an image showing a malfunction, the cartridge case having trapped itself between the slide and breechface (page 45). This is NOT a malfunction accordng to the author and in Combat Handguns fashion, they took the stoppage and called it a good thing.
In the caption on page 45, "The last round from the magazne consistently trapped itself between the slide and breech face, letting the shooter know the gun was empty."
On pages 88-89, "Reliability with the .25NAA was 100%. We fired about 200 rounds through the gun and had no stoppages or malfunctions. Bottlenecks cartridges, due to their tapered design, tend to feed more reliably than straght-walled cartrdges. One peculiarity that the Guardian shares with the Seecamp gun is that the last round in the magazine gets trapped between the slide face and barrel. The is not a defect in the design or a problem with the magazine. I kind of like it because it lets me know that the gun is empty and as it does not have a slide lock or hold-open device. The empty is easily cleared by turning the gun to its side and pulling back on the slide to let it drop free."
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The second description of the trapped case appears to be the most accurate of the two. It is a case and not a round. Contrary to Detty and Combat Handguns, this is a malfunction. Given the 200 rounds fired and a 6 round mag, I would guess that Detty and his girlfriend had 28-33 malfunctions if the trapping was consistent as claimed.
Contrary to Detty, this is a flaw and a malfunction. It is not some benefit that is there to tell the shooter the gun is empty. It is a malfunction as the empty gun cannot be made ready by reloading. Drop the spent mag and add the new mag and the gun still won't work because the the trapped case must be cleared. So if reloading the gun does not make it again ready to fire, then it has malfunctioned. Sorry Mikee, but a trapped spent case that keeps the gun from functioning, occurring consistently every 6 or 7 rounds (dependng how the gun is loaded) is unacceptable for a gun with the intended purpose of being for self defense. Actually, it is just unacceptable, either as a design problem or as QC.
The gun is supposed to be easy to shoot and the author, Mike Detty, includes images of his girlfriend shooting the gun and then an image showing a malfunction, the cartridge case having trapped itself between the slide and breechface (page 45). This is NOT a malfunction accordng to the author and in Combat Handguns fashion, they took the stoppage and called it a good thing.
In the caption on page 45, "The last round from the magazne consistently trapped itself between the slide and breech face, letting the shooter know the gun was empty."
On pages 88-89, "Reliability with the .25NAA was 100%. We fired about 200 rounds through the gun and had no stoppages or malfunctions. Bottlenecks cartridges, due to their tapered design, tend to feed more reliably than straght-walled cartrdges. One peculiarity that the Guardian shares with the Seecamp gun is that the last round in the magazine gets trapped between the slide face and barrel. The is not a defect in the design or a problem with the magazine. I kind of like it because it lets me know that the gun is empty and as it does not have a slide lock or hold-open device. The empty is easily cleared by turning the gun to its side and pulling back on the slide to let it drop free."
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The second description of the trapped case appears to be the most accurate of the two. It is a case and not a round. Contrary to Detty and Combat Handguns, this is a malfunction. Given the 200 rounds fired and a 6 round mag, I would guess that Detty and his girlfriend had 28-33 malfunctions if the trapping was consistent as claimed.
Contrary to Detty, this is a flaw and a malfunction. It is not some benefit that is there to tell the shooter the gun is empty. It is a malfunction as the empty gun cannot be made ready by reloading. Drop the spent mag and add the new mag and the gun still won't work because the the trapped case must be cleared. So if reloading the gun does not make it again ready to fire, then it has malfunctioned. Sorry Mikee, but a trapped spent case that keeps the gun from functioning, occurring consistently every 6 or 7 rounds (dependng how the gun is loaded) is unacceptable for a gun with the intended purpose of being for self defense. Actually, it is just unacceptable, either as a design problem or as QC.
