Combat worthy .22LR Rifle.

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I'd say a Ruger 10/22 that you have shot a lot and are familiar with the ammunition reliability. You may be trusting your life to it. I have no problem using it as a defensive weapon. Check all of your magazines for reliability. Toss the ones that aren't 99% reliable. I refrain from addressing the "combat worthy" part as 22's are not battle rifles and are not intended for fighting armies.

For a low intensity SHTF, the 22 is fine. If you're talking about roving bands of zombies, then I'd want a rifle with a bit more punch (and range) along with a Glock. Caliber is your choice.

If you're heading for the woods, I'd go with your favorite accurate bolt action 22 rifle. I pretty much want to be able to shoot the eye out of a rabbit at 50 yds.
 
CZ452 trainer......WHY? Military style tangent sights nuff said

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Cast my vote for the AR-7
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I guess you could throw it at the target but unfortunatly it isn't heavy enough to do much damage

There simply aren't enough curse words in the english language to say enough bad things about the ar7
 
FWIW, the best high cap mags for the 10/22 are the Tactical Innovations aluminum or polymer mags.

The Ruger 10 round rotary mags are good too, but limited in capacity

The Butler Creek Steel lips and hot lips mags come next

The Promag drums are junk

Everything else is generally junk, too. I had a Ramline 50 rdr until about the 2nd time I loaded it...the hard loading got old FAST. And, it hung up continuously. So I tossed it...
 
Assuming war or SHTF that your not going to worry about ATF regs.
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IMHO, a big and unwarranted assumption. Think of the Katrina situation. Yes, total anarchy for a while - how long depending where you are - but after order is restored, I'm sure all the prior laws were enforced with a vengeance. I would not want to be caught 6 months later with an unregistered NFA type weapon that seemed like a good idea during the SHTF but was illegal anyway.
 
ANY box mag fed gun IF, starting with a squeeky clean gun, enought mags and good ammo, it will fire 200 rounds as fast as you can fire it without any stoppages. Use the same test for tube-fed guns, it'll just take a little longer to reload.

There are a LOT of 22's out there that'll do that. Pick one you like.

I like the Nylon 66, the Browning SA, the Marlin, almost any old Winchester, the Remington 550, 552's are good, too. The Thompson/Center looks good, but I've never shot one. So does the discontinued CZ 511.
 
I say that not counting the American 180 and the two-ruger back to back contraption with gatlin gun trigger wheel posted there by Kentucky, the closest thing to a combat round you'll find in .22lr is with the Aguila "SSS" (sniper subsonic) 60 gr round. It's the length of a long or long rifle, with the case size of a short. It's a definite penetrator. As for rifle, you need something higher than a standard 1 in 16 twist. 1 in 9 happens to work quite nicely in an AR conversion. But for combat I wouldn't trust these funkily-shaped rounds to cycle in a semi-auto. Therefore a turnbolt or levergun or pump with a custom barrel with higher twist, shooting these SSS's is the closest you're gonna come to combat worthiness with .22 rimfire.

the ideal weapon for CQB against an elite force of gophers.
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Soccom/Seal/operator gophers, mind you - not just any old militarily-trained gophers. snicker, snicker... :)
 
Hmm..


A silenced .22 rf rifle can be appropriate for a 'stealthy interdiction' on a known soft target(s) at less than 100m. Need reliable intel, plus good planning and operational skills.


Perhaps, more importantly ..

for teaching new SHTF recruits and maintaining your skills,

for harvesting more small game per outing (load economy),

for pest/varmint control (sanitation and crop defense),

for putting down injured livestock.

I'm sure there are plenty more good uses.

.Generally speaking.

Semi auto
Pros - Rate/volume of fire.
Cons - Mechanical complexity, noise, possibly more weight.

Pump
Pros - Mechanically more simple than a semi and more quiet. Faster than a bolt action.
Cons - Lower rate/volume of fire.

Bolt action
Pros - More quiet than a pump, but slower. Mechanically simpler than a semi.
Cons - Lower rate/volume of fire.

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I don't really want to charge foes with a .22 semi-auto rifle.
I'd rather try and snipe 'em.
Practice, teach and eat definitely.
SHTF and parts wear out and need replacing ..
I think a bolt or pump action..

CZ makes nice bolt rifles .. I like that 452 in krochus's pic, t'is right perty.

:)
 
In a fall of gov., invading forces type of SHTF a good .22 rifle would be a great weapon to have.

Guerilla warfare baby!

I could carry it and a brick of ammo and run disruption without having to constantly look for ammo.

No doubt for full on fire fights the .22 rifle is not a good weapon at all, but for a hiding in the mountains gun, its up there.

Mine would be my Savage bolt my wife bought me from Walmart. Well built sturdy construction, fairly accurate, and good sturdy irons.
 
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I could carry it and a brick of ammo and run disruption without having to constantly look for ammo.
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define disruption in your scenario? like "oh bugger that guy just died where it it come from" or "dear me someone popped my mouse..i loved it so"

(all in good fun of course)
 
More of the first scenario. Hit and run.

Lone sentries or maybe even small groupes if I had some help.
 
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PTK - that is an awesome custom Ruger you built there!

i want one!

my summary:
- an AMerican 180
- a nylon
- PTK´s SBR Ruger.


this thread finally let me know it was a nylon,
that i was plinking with in the good ol days in
my appalachian backyard.....

( ...Pine Mountain represent!)
 
Yeah, love that overbuilt suppressor. Good job. How difficult was it to build? Do you have plans for sale or free? What's the BATFE form you get to build one?
 
SHTF threads always make me giggle.... I understand "survival" and "HD" guns, but I don't think that I'll ever need the take out ANYBODY if and earthquake hits STL.

Back on topic, most .22 are very reliable. My Single shot NEF has never failed, my savage sometimes has poor extraction, but always goes bang, and even my Winchester 190 rarely fails. Bolts are the way to go, but after all, it's just a fantasy :neener:
And if the S ever HTF, I'll be the fat guy on the bike wearing ALL my clothes with a backpack full of baked beans with a .22 over his shoulder heading to my farm

Awesome gun PTK

HB
 
Well if I found a genie in a bottle or something and I could get anything I wanted period (and I didn't have to worry about going through the hassle and expense of getting the local police chief to sign off on it, to wait for the ATF to approve it and then pay a whole bunch of money that I don't have to spend), then I guess it would be an accurized Ruger 10/22 with a B&C Anschutz stock, a Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel and trigger, a Zeiss scope and a Gemtech suppressor.

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In fact this gun (mine) with just a few mods done to it (Zeiss Rapid Z scope and the Gemtech suppressor).
 
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Well if I found a genie in a bottle or something and I could get anything I wanted period (and I didn't have to worry about going through the hassle and expense of getting the local police chief to sign off on it, to wait for the ATF to approve it and then pay a whole bunch of money that I don't have to spend), then I guess it would be an accurized Ruger 10/22 with a B&C Anshultz stock, a Volksquarten carbon fiber barrel and trigger, a Zeiss scope and a Gemtech suppressor.
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What he just said...
 
The only .22 I could think of would be an M14 in .308 or an M1 Garand '06.
The full auto stuff is gonna suck up ammo.
The 'Ninja' plan of defense/assault makes great movies but stinks in real life.
 
More of the first scenario. Hit and run.

Lone sentries or maybe even small groupes if I had some help.
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but its a .22, why not something with range or power for that matter...if you want quiet get a suppressor, I'm only going to assume in this scenario ATF isn't going to be breathing down your neck about it.
 
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