Comments wanted on a new poster (NSFW?)

[Sean Dempsey]

I think this discussion penetrates to the core of Gun Rights issues.

 

[PRazz]

title it:
Which one would you carry concealed?
Which one will you go to jail for carrying?
Unlawful use will result in felony charges.
What's in your pocket?

ok, joking aside, keep the posts under each picture but change the last statement to: Keep the Government out of your personal business.

 

[coylh]

This topic is ripe...

"Know your target, and what is beyond it."

"Does it come with da switch?"

"Hey, it really is a shoulder thing that goes up!"

"... and the debate between heavy/slow and light/fast remains unresolved..."

 

[R.H. Lee]

The bluenoses notwithstanding, I think it's perfect the way it is. That said, however, there does seem to be enough objection to consider a change. Maybe the problem is as simple as the manner in which the model is holding the vibrator. The full hand wraparound and upward thrust position subliminally transmit an overt, aggressive imagery (to some).

Maybe a re-shoot with the model holding the vibrator in a less (suggestive, to some?) position.

Keep the text the same, short, sweet and to the point.

 

[romma]

What, no pistol grip?

 

[springmom]

The bluenoses notwithstanding, I think it's perfect the way it is. That said, however, there does seem to be enough objection to consider a change. Maybe the problem is as simple as the manner in which the model is holding the vibrator. The full hand wraparound and upward thrust position subliminally transmit an overt, aggressive imagery (to some).

No, for me the issue is what I said it is. And whether it's posed up, down, sideways, doesn't matter. And if I promise to not call you names, do you think you could refrain as well? I just love being called a "bluenose" for my opinion. Not.

Springmom

 

[vis-à-vis]

Kind of tasteless if you ask me. Thought this was a family site.

 

[Biker]

Gun owners cover the entire spectrum of Americans and many, if not most, do not share the puritanical views of some expressed in this thread. The message is a powerful one and strikes to the core of what government control is all about.

Biker

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

Oleg,

What is your target audience for this poster?

If you are trying to take on the, if you will, "reasonable" left-wingers who tend to be against government interference in the bedroom, but don't see the true implications of government control of firearms, I think this poster does that job well.

I liked the marriage example from springmom. However, if your intended audience is what I think it is (above), I think that a gay marriage poster would probably drive the point home much better.

(Please, for the love of god, I am not trying to open a discussion on that subject, just offering feedback on tailoring the message to the intended audience.)

 

[SeanSw]

I wanted to buy a ***** but I wasn't an active member at the local bath house, so the state sex embassy denied my permit

 

[686+]

..the right of the people to own v....

eh. nevermind. sorry had to be said.

I think the poster is fine and not too offensive, provided the age and maturity of the receptive audiance is appropriate. As the intended audiance of this poster is not the folks critiquing it, we are perhaps in a poor position to tell you if these images will reach them and what needs to be changed.

My suggestion is to leave the X is a Felony in Y, statements for each item and make sure the word felony is a different color/font. Then replace the whole bottom sentence with: "Why?" in a color/font the same as the words felony. This will force people to think about what the poster is and then why it shows what it shows. Heck just go with:

Felony in Chicago Fellony in Texas
WHY?

 

[roo_ster]

Oleg:

The audience for which that poster would be effective is pretty small*, IMO.

I am not saying that small audiences ought not be targeted, but if your aim was for a moderately broad swath of folks who might react in a manner positive to RKBA, the poster is not a success.

IMO, a goodly number of folks would be more likely to associate their negative views of the images rather than the positive views. I think that the net result by likely viewers would be negative.

Folks can whine and toss out terms like, "bluenose," but I think it behooves us (like any marketer) to understand the likely consumer.


* THR is not a good sample of the population at large.

 

[buck00]

The ironic thing is there are Christians (maybe some on THR) who would see nothing wrong with banning *****'s (gasp, immoral) yet support gun rights.

Some of them think its ok for them to dictate morality through laws, yet get upset when their own rights and pursuits are meddled with. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Intended audience are liberal Democrats and Greens, mostly. I must note though, all props (gun, blue thingie, hand) were supplied by conservative Republicans. Methinks we don't know our own allies at times.

 

[SaMx]

you need to tailor the images to the intended audience. Some people would see that and say "ahh! you have offended my precious sensibilities!"
Some hardcore antis will say "lol guns are penises"
but for the rest of us, I think it makes a good point.

EDIT: oh, Oleg wrote a reply while I was writing one.

 

[Sav .250]

What happens in Vagas..........stays in Vagas!

 

[ATL Peach Girl]

It is a felony to sell sex aids in several states, including Texas, Georgia and Mississippi.

It sure is Oleg!! However it didn't stop me from ordering from a website.

I know whose hand that is and the ring's harmless (she is a good friend of mine). She just likes the look of a gold thumb ring.

Oleg!! You do amazing work!! I have seen some of the other work you did of this girl. Outstanding!!!

 

[10 Ring Tao]

Gun owners cover the entire spectrum of Americans and many, if not most, do not share the puritanical views of some expressed in this thread. The message is a powerful one and strikes to the core of what government control is all about.

And add to that, the people who this poster will be most effective on, are likely to not be as puritanical as those on the gun forums.

I like the poster, and to change the image to make it more PC will water down its effectiveness.

My only thought on version two, is that the text/idea at the bottom is awkward to read and understand. The word government needs to be in the first line, because as its written now, its not clear who you're giving power to until you've read the whole blurb.

My caption would read:

When you give government the power to control practices you dislike, you give them power to control those you do.

I know space is at a premium for so much text, but maybe you can use a different gun or make the gun image smaller so there isn't so much wasted/empty space at the top of the image.









One of the greatest injuries to the human experience, was the introduction of the religiously motivated sexual taboo.

 

[B yond]

Didn't Freud say a fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual maturity?

I just want to know why my post containing a pic of a condom was removed from the "what is a magnum" thread if pics like this are allowed.

 

[arthurcw]

Is it puritanical or bluenose to ask some decorum be kept on a family site and the message for the 2nd Amendment not be made a joke?

Sorry. Tired of being called names for having a sense of respect for the human person.

If all you got is Ad Hominem Attacks, I think we are done here. Otta this thread.

 

[exar]

It's not offensive because it's a vibrator(IMO), it's offensive because it's crude. I have no issues with anyone using the thing. I just happen to think that putting it on a poster and posting it in public is crude. Anyone could see it including children (explain that to 'em). I had a talk with my girlfriend about it and she also said it was crude before I could finish my sentence.
I really like springmom's idea and believe it's much more effective.

What I'd do is go for a different comparison, and one that hits harder. How about a comparison with the old miscegenation laws? Showing an interracial couple being "busted", and comparing that with gun ownership?

 

[roo_ster]

Yeah, It's for the Childruuuun!

One last note:

Folks who are castigating springmom & co. as a puritan, bluenose, fearful, etc. might want to stop applying labels and think for a moment before sending off their next bit of oh-so-open-minded moral preening.

springmom is (going out on a limb, here) a parent of minor children. As is pax, who left a highly...diplomatic... comment in post #41. For my own self* (parent of two minor children), I would not let my kids anywhere near the poster.

In my experience, not even most liberal/lefty types with children are comfortable with such overtly sexual imagery around their kids. Folks just get more attuned to such things after there are kids in the house. Democrat/Green/liberal soccer moms are as likely to be turned off as moderate/conservative/bluenose/puritan soccer moms. Especially given the working stereotype of soccer moms being bundles of emotion festooned with "Baby on Board" signs**.

So, such a poster on the average college campus might be effective, given that the population is overwhelmingly single, childless, and liberal/libertine.

Out in public off-campus, even in a liberal locale, it would do more harm than good.


* Not a stranger to the wilder side in my younger days.

** They don't read, "Baby on Board with Suggestively Shaped Teether"

 

[Biker]

Arthur...

Yes, it is somewhat puritanical and no, puritanical is not at all ad hom unless you choose to take it that way in which case that is your problem, not mine.

Biker

 

[10 Ring Tao]

So we're going to allow our government to run rampant and stomp on everyone, in the name of protecting the children?

Hmm, that sounds awfully familiar.

 

[exar]

So we're going to allow our government to run rampant and stomp on everyone, in the name of protecting the children?

That's just dumb. My right to self defense is one thing, explaining what a vibrator is and what it is used for to a 5 year old because he/she saw it on a poster in public is an entirely different beast.