Concealed Carry restrictions......Getting rid of them

[neoncowboy]

The idea that the law can force me to have a permit in order to exercise this rightis so disgusting to me, I don't think I'm even going to renew my permit when it expires.

 

[wdlsguy]

We are truly fortunate to live in Oregon. Our permits are easy to get and most counties cooperate.

It would be nice if Oregon would honor other state permits, or at least issue nonresident permits on a shall-issue basis. The way things stand right now, there is no way for me to legally carry in Oregon, since I don't live in WA / ID / NV / CA.

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

It would be nice if Oregon would honor other state permits, or at least issue nonresident permits on a shall-issue basis. The way things stand right now, there is no way for me to legally carry in Oregon, since I don't live in WA / ID / NV / CA.

I agree. I would really like to see national reciprocity under full faith and credit...whats that? Oh, marriage isn't even given full faith and credit any longer?

well, phooey.

 

[neoncowboy]

Oh, marriage isn't even given full faith and credit any longer?

Um, that's a little disingenuous to call what you're speaking of 'marriage'.

Not that that has anything to do with guns or anything...

 

[Jadecristal]

Um, that's a little disingenuous to call what you're speaking of 'marriage'.

Not that that has anything to do with guns or anything...

It has more to do with what states can do, and things. If states have all the powers that the Constitution says they do, they can make it legal for two males to "marry," or even a male and a horse to "marry."

The Constitution requires that states give "full faith and credit" to other states "things," and that should nicely include everything. Carry permits and "marriage," whether you like it or not. If your state had to accept that two men were "married," and NYC had to accept your carry permit, would it be worth it to you? Noting, BTW, that as I read it, they already should have to, but hey... it's just an old "living" document anyway, right?

 

[neoncowboy]

If states have all the powers that the Constitution says they do, they can make it legal for two males to "marry," or even a male and a horse to "marry."

No they can't! Laws don't redefine reality or justice. The states can't make men eligible for marriage with one another any more than they can legislate blacks (or any other race of people) into being second class citizens...drinking out of separate water fountains and such.

It's because law depends on morality to have any authority. The writings of the founders are full of that premise.

 

[mbs357]

what one thing would you change about your state carry permit?

First thing that comes to mind is to lower the age limit to 18.
Other than that...carry in churches, courthouses, schools, you name it.
Not sure what area limits are in place now, but I'm certain about school and court, probably allowed in church. Not sure about bars, I have no interest in them, but that doesn't mean I don't want the right.

 

[Stickjockey]

As we hail from the same state, I'd haver to say you hit the nail on the head. I'd love to see OR have more reciprocity, and I'd like to not have to worry about whether I'd lost the thing.

 

[carebear]

Well, the best way way to achieve your goals will be to stake out an absolutist Vermont-carry or nothing position. See if you can force a vote so you know who the pseudo-pro gun legislators are and work to defeat them. Also, bad mouth others who are ostensibly on the same side as you but don't adhere to your absolute beliefs.

That should work.

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

Well, the best way way to achieve your goals will be to stake out an absolutist Vermont-carry or nothing position. See if you can force a vote so you know who the pseudo-pro gun legislators are and work to defeat them. Also, bad mouth others who are ostensibly on the same side as you but don't adhere to your absolute beliefs.

That should work.

Actually, here in Oregon, after the next election, that Might Just Work. Our big anti is named Ginny Burdick and she is about to get trounced in her bid for city council, and I believe she is no longer going to be in our state legislature, either. With her gone, the Anti's will lose their figurehead and be very disorganized. That is a good thing.

 

[carebear]

Don't say that, you'll encourage a gentleman in WI.

 

[Andiceman]

My biggest beef is the "no carry in post office". You're in violation if you drive into the parking lot.

TennTucker--read the article at this link:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

This fellow makes a pretty good case that "no carry in post office" is BS.

Of course, I never go the post office, so I don't really have to worry about it.

 

[Stickjockey]

...she is about to get trounced in her bid for city council, and I believe she is no longer going to be in our state legislature, either.

City council, where? And what are the indications she'll be ousted from the legislature? I must have missed something.

Dare I hope?

 

[ziadel]

I tell you what burns me, the stupid restrictions.

I can go out, buy a 2" J-Frame .38, put in for a CCW, and get one marked "HUNTING AND TARGET ONLY" who in the right freakin mind hunts or target shoots with a 2" J-Frame? I mean, come on, our Judge is a coward, thats why it happens, he wants to be able to tell the sissies, "I don't let anyone run around with guns in MY county" and he wants to be able to tell the 2nd amendment conscious, "My county is one of the few counties in new york with a 'shall issue' mentality"

I've been told if you give the judge a good reason, he'll remove the restrictions.

now I just gotta make up a good reason

freaking hogwash.

 

[ziadel]

No they can't! Laws don't redefine reality or justice. The states can't make men eligible for marriage with one another any more than they can legislate blacks (or any other race of people) into being second class citizens...drinking out of separate water fountains and such.

It's because law depends on morality to have any authority. The writings of the founders are full of that premise.

that's laughable.

 

[Reddog1]

I can live with the restrictions here, but would like to see a lot of them changed. I would like to see a photo on our permit though, here in Ga. there
isin't any and if it is lost or takin by a BG, it could be bad. Do any other states have photos on their permits? All we have is a finger print.

Jim

 

[SMMAssociates]

TennTucker--read the article at this link:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

This fellow makes a pretty good case that "no carry in post office" is BS.

Of course, I never go the post office, so I don't really have to worry about it.

Our good friends in Columbus (OH) were kind enough to write the Post Office into the enumerated CPZ list, so no carry....

However, at least out here in "my" burb, it's in a strip plaza so the parking lots are not a problem unless the plaza owner posts the property (which he can do!).

They've set up the Post Office out here so that it's basically an inner room where the clerks are and a "lobby" where the P.O. Boxes, stamp machine, and drop boxes are located. The latter is not posted, and is open 24/7. The inner room is posted. I take that to mean it's OK to carry in the lobby....

(One of the less sensible things about our approach to CPZ's is that the property owner can post his parking lot. The criminals we're protecting that way really appreciate it, but they're said to be a little upset about not being able to mine our cars for weapons, which they can do at other CPZ's....)

Regards,

 

[Zedicus]

It would be nice if Oregon would honor other state permits, or at least issue nonresident permits on a shall-issue basis. The way things stand right now, there is no way for me to legally carry in Oregon, since I don't live in WA / ID / NV / CA.

Actualy, Oregon doesn't Honor Idaho CCW Permits, and Idaho itself is now requiring the moronic "training" certificate to be able to get the permit :banghead:
(didnt before I moved here)

then again us here in Idaho seem to be seeing a few liberals moving in and getting jobs in local & state goverment and trying to turn the state into another California.

The locals are anything but pleased about it to say the least....

 

[dlouque]

I think anyone who carries a gun in public should be trained.

And anyone trained can carry anyway he feels like it. We shouldn't have to pay the government for our 2A privilege, and anyone how commits a crime has the right to be shot like the criminal he is whether commiting the crime or fleeing.
Also IPSC or IDPA matches should be a requirement for all LEO's who carry a gun and should be done quarterly at minimum. Reloads are cheap compaired to civil liability if they injure a bystander.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Dlouque:

I think anyone who carries a gun in public should be trained. And anyone trained can carry anyway he feels like it.

I agree, however, the problem with letting the Federal Government define the training is that a Hilary can come along and require that everybody who wishes to carry go through the FBI National Academy....

Might be fun, but I'm too old, and anyway give 'em a call and see how easy it is to get in....

Regards,

 

[Henry Bowman]

Hilary can come along and require that

Or Sarah Brady. Like to go to the VPC training program? This is why I (unsuccessfully) opposed a training requirement in Ohio. I had the experience of living in WA where no training is required. I like asking the Ohio antis, "Have you ever been to Indiana or Pennsylvania? Yeah? They've had CCW for decades and don't require any training. Did you get shot at there? No? Why not?"

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

Expanding on the idea of "Certification"

I think anyone who carries a gun in public should be trained. And anyone trained can carry anyway he feels like it. We shouldn't have to pay the government for our 2A privilege...

I don't think what you are asking for is "training"...Lets call it what it is: "Certification" by someone who has an idea of what people should and should not do. I can guarantee you that this "Certification" would not be free. Somebody will be making money on this.

I assume that you are watching out or the children, and bystanders. The assumption is tha with that "Certified" stamp comes a higher level of competence. I won't dispute that precept. I think it has *some* merit.

Let me just as the following questions:

1. When can we start certification on printers and engravers? I mean, they could EASILY photocopy dollar bills and destabilize our economy*. I think a new "Certification of Compliance" should be on *any* newspaper, handbill and photocopy machine. Otherwise, we would have folks out there doing horrible things.

2. Which religions are allowed by the state? Can we just have Presbyterians go to the same Board of Certification as the Reform Jews, or do they have to wait in line with the Odinists (Careful with that hammer, Thor!)? Also, the gentleman from Seattle wants to know if the Dalai Lama can file supporting evidence for his New Age Certification. Is cross-religion documentation allowed?

3. Are these Certifications given full faith and credit, or do i have to get a seperate Certification for every state I go to?

4. Mr. Jones is a careful law abiding citizen. He has already gotten his "Literature Certification" for the leaflets he hands out encouraging donations to his cause, and he is a "Certified Southern Baptist". Mr. Jones falls into a lower income bracket, and would like to know if he can get part of his "Certification" fee waived so that he can protect his family in the slum he lives in.

In all seriousness...I have never attended more than a basic safety course.If a lack of "Certification" makes a gun-handler dangerous, then I must be doing something wrong.

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*this is satire, pure and simple. Any resemblance to Druids, the trees they worship in front of, the paper that comes from those trees, and the resulting HIGHLY ILLEGAL photocopies of dollar bills that spit from those machines is in your own imagination. Do not shake, stir, or agitate the Secret Service.

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

Ignore if you aren't from Oregon...

City council, where? And what are the indications she'll be ousted from the legislature? I must have missed something.

Dare I hope?

Our dear friend Ginny Burdick is running against Erik Sten for Portland City Council.

Ms. Burdick was the major force behind almost all of the anti bills in the last 3 sessions (possibly more...thats just when I started paying attention).

I haven't been able to read anything conclusive, but everyone I talk to says that Ginny will either have to re-run for her seat or run for City Council, as her seat will expire normally. Theorhetically, she could run for both, but she won't--that means loosing two seats in all probability.

With Ginny gone, that would leave Kate Brown, Avel Gordly and a couple other anti's but the truth is, these folks are focused on other things, and were always having to give Ginny the votes in order to wheel and deal. I don't think they will do much on their own on this issue. I am working on Kate (she is my district), and on the Dem Party as a whole. I think they are starting to see the light, believe it or not.

Then there is the Guv. It looks like Kitz is gonna run again...and he isn't our worst enemy, but he is no wear near a big 2a supporter either. My guess is it will be Kitz vs. Mannix, without Cox in the mix (he switched over to Repubs). Kitz will win in that matchup.

So its not all roses and jasmine rice, but neither is it lumps-of-coal-in-stockings time.

 

[Werewolf]

Other than the aforementioned Vermont style carry, what one thing would you change about your state carry permit?

Wellllll...
Actually - there's more than one thing I'd change:

On the front of my permit in big black letters at the top it says: CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE. It's not really that. What it really is is a concealed handgun license as OK law severely restricts the carry of just about any weapon. Legally most knives are a no-no though that's not enforced. Brass knuckles, clubs, etc - big no-no. If they're gonna issue a CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE then it ought to be a CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE.

Caliber size is limited to no larger than .45. Now I'm not one who'd carry a Desert Eagle 50 but hey I'm just 5' 7". I can imagine some 6' 8" 400 lb guy wanting to.

The list of places one cannot carry includes government property open to the public, sporting events, bars and any other place that gets >50% of its revenue from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises. Not bad I guess but it ought'a be OK to carry anywhere - afterall the check done to certify me a good guy covered the city, county, state and Feds. Geez Louise - if they all say I'm a good guy what are the odds I'm gonna go into a courthouse or city council meeting and blow away some slimy politician (which is why the restrictions exist really - the bastards don't trust us and think making it illegal to carry at one of their meetings is gonna protect them - hey - since when do politiicians actually think about what laws they pass?).

Stupid No Firearms Allowed signs ought to be banned. Not that they really mean much in OK - tresspassing is about all you can be charged with and then only if the business asks you to leave and you don't (how stupid would that be to not leave if asked?) I don't give a hoot about the property rights of those who run businesses that invite the public in. They invited me in. As far as I am concerned that means my 2nd Amendment rights trump their property rights. Don't like it? Then don't run a business that depends on public access.

Vermont/Alaska style carry in OK would be nice but it's never gonna happen for two reasons. The little reason is the state legislature is essentially controlled by the Democrats (they'd be republicans just about anywhere else but they're Democrats here in OK). The main reason though is that IMO OK has the 2nd most crooked politicians in the country. They're crooks and the idea of letting every single Tom, Dick and Harriet out there carry who might hold a grudge against them is - well - in their minds just asking for trouble.

OK CCW isn't perfect - it could be better but compared to some places we all know of it is liberty in action.

 

[fjolnirsson]

So its not all roses and jasmine rice, but neither is it lumps-of-coal-in-stockings time.

And, look on the bright side. With Burdick gone, I have a feeling the Oregon Firearms Federation is gonna be pushing hard for some reforms. She has been their biggest obstacle, IIRC.