concealed carry while playing pool( printing ?)

[jlr1962]

Whatever I wanted and could afford. Shot, hung out with friends (mostly rifle team buds back at PSU), hiked, camped, hunted, fished, worked on my truck, hit the arcade, ... pretty much what any guy does. I didn't spend a whole lot of time in bars, but I never was involved in a fight (or even saw a serious one) in the ones I did choose to imbibe in.

If you're the gun carrying sort, it stands to reason that a) you think about safety and the use of force, and b) you don't willingly put yourself in pointless danger. Even as a somewhat younger guy I had no interest in brawling or what we now think of as the "monkey dance." And I don't think someone coming here to as a sober question about this topic is looking for that, either.



But just in case it isn't perfectly clear by now, if you are willingly frequenting known trouble spots and engaging in violent behavior -- carrying a gun is just compounding the knuckle-draggingly STUPID mistakes you're already making!

Didn't you just say that if you are to go into such a situation, go armed? Is that the knuckle dragging behavior that you mention.
BTW, I am sure you know that the 51%, and 30.06 signs are everywhere here with probably more to come in January. The 30.07 signs will probably start going up towards the end of the year. I guess growing up with a given law has made me think it should be the way it is everywhere.

I don't go to rough bars anymore. Being married cured that bad habits. A gun is on my person anyplace that it is legal to carry.

Love the knive collection Sam.

 

[Sam1911]

Didn't you just say that if you are to go into such a situation, go armed?

What? No. I said DON'T go anyplace you expect violence to occur. Don't hang out in bars (or pool halls) known to be centers of violent behavior/monkey-dancing.

I said:

If a place is so dangerous that you're likely to be in a violent encounter -- DON'T GO THERE for any reason. There is no "safe" amount you can be beaten up, slashed, or shot. ...

If this place you want to hang out in is safe enough for you to go, then you should be able to go armed, as any violence that befalls you is unexpected, out of character for the venue, and against your will.

Is that the knuckle dragging behavior that you mention.

No. The "knuckle-dragging" behavior I'm talking about is specifically this:

... if you are willingly frequenting known trouble spots and engaging in violent behavior ...

In other words, if you're a brawler and deliberately hang out with thugs, in thug meeting-places, to do the monkey-dance with other violent jack-arses, by all means leave your gun at home and don't make the situation even more stupid than it already is. A gun is NOT your trump card for winning fights you go out looking for.

But law-abiding folks of peaceable intents and habits don't need to worry about that sort of bull-oney. A right-minded person carries a gun to stop him or her being preyed upon by the violent people who might seek him/her out and inflict violence upon them against their will.

BTW, I am sure you know that the 51%, and 30.06 signs are everywhere here ... I guess growing up with a given law has made me think it should be the way it is everywhere.

Yes, that is a common enough effect we see, even among gun owners. "This is how it is where I am, so I assume this is the best way... "reasonable restrictions" ... "common sense" prohibitions on my conduct. We see the same sorts of things when it comes to hunting regulations, carry laws, various weapon-type bans. "In my state, no one is allowed to X,Y,Z. Therefore, this is a good law and society needs to be controlled the way we are, here."

I once asked someone, who was arguing for the perfect rightness of TX's 30.06 prohibitions, if PA and other states get along perfectly well without such things, what is it about Texans that means they can't be so trusted? Why aren't they good enough people to be allowed the same rights a Pennsylvanian enjoys? I don't think he liked that.

Love the knive collection Sam.

Thanks! They've been a labor of love. Hopefully I'll make a few new models this summer/fall.

 

[TwinReverb]

Don't we carry because (among other reasons) people are unpredictable? I carry everywhere, whether i think the people there will be friendly or hostile, peaceful or prone to violence. So if i can carry in a bar in that state, i will.

Sure, if i think a bar is sketchy, i won't go there, but ultimately i carry everywhere because people everywhere are unpredictable. How many times have we read a news article of violence occurring in some quiet town? Usually there's some random interview in the article with some random person who says they've never heard of anything like that in their town. Such statements would be hilarious if it wasn't for the violence that's the main subject of the article.

I'm not an anxious person and u don't give credence to conspiracy theories, but I'll say it this way: everyone everywhere is unpredictable because they're human. The amount of unpredictability varies, but it's always there.

 

[glennv]

Perfectly legal to carry in a bar in RI and we have the lowest gun deaths per capita in the country according to the antis.

 

[HB]

To the OP,

Pocket carry is about the only way to go I feel, and its what I do 99% of the time with a snub .38 and a speed strip as a reload. I feel I can protect MYSELF and that's why I carry.

However if you carry in a pool hall you have to be careful about how you act. As some others have stated, you can't escalate a situation in any way (which is impossible). If somebody starts trying to escalate an argument, walking away or not saying anything might be the worst thing you can do. Old men will be the worst at times.

If it is just a friendly sportsbar and you are playing with friends I wouldn't worry about it one bit, carry as you would if you were there for dinner.

If you are playing random people I would probably reconsider such behavior unless its a pool league with other people you know.

Last time I played pool I ended up getting my tire slashed. I was happy I didn't get slashed.

Needless to say I don't play pool with random people anymore and rarely outside someone's home. I didn't do anything but win the game. I don't talk much trash and maybe that's why the guy got so offended.

If it makes any difference I am 23 now. The best way to get out of a tight spot is never put yourself there to start.

HB

 

[Trent]

We had a shooting in a bar in East Peoria not that long ago.

Man walked in to a bar where there was a high school class reuinion in progress. Killed his ex, and her boyfriend - shot both of them in the head. An off-duty FBI agent happened to sitting in the bar and killed the shooter.

After chatting with some acquaintances, Jason approached Lori and her new boyfriend, Lance Griffel. Calmly and wordlessly, he shot them each in the head, eyewitnesses tell PEOPLE, killing them both. He then turned the gun on himself but missed because he flinched as he pulled the trigger. A concerned bystander tackled him as an off-duty FBI agent shot Jason, killing him almost instantly.

http://www.people.com/article/high-...lori-moore-lance-griffel-east-peoria-illinois


You just never know.

We're not allowed to carry in places that do more than 50% of their business in alcohol, in IL, but if we were allowed to, and I was going there to shoot pool, and not drink, I surely would.

I do very often carry in bars which sell more food, than drink, particularly if I'm out with my family. Two of three restaurants in our small farm town are "bars that sell food" - and GOOD food, at that...

If you are playing pool, pocket carry would probably be my first choice. Ankle holsters are just too damn slow for my liking.

 

[Evil-Twin]

I would not place myself in a situation where, people under the influence is highly probable. I've seen drunks, trash talk, threaten, etc... its not a place were drunks and gun carriers can co-mingle without a high probability of trouble.. The first line of defense is awareness of potential trouble, and avoid it.

 

[TwinReverb]

This is why printing is bad:

http://concealednation.org/2015/08/video-here-is-why-you-want-to-avoid-printing-and-always-maintain-situational-awareness-concealed-carrier-robbed-of-gun/

 

[Sav .250]

Just cause you have a CC doesn`t mean you have to carry at all times. Common sense
should dictate that.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

This is why printing is bad:

http://concealednation.org/2015/08/video-here-is-why-you-want-to-avoid-printing-and-always-maintain-situational-awareness-concealed-carrier-robbed-of-gun/

Actually, it seems to me that this example is why proper retention is important, along with situational awareness and training.

"In this particular case, it doesn’t seem like the firearm was printing. In other words, it looks like the suspect was looking for a wallet and not a gun because he saw it printing. But, when that baby fell to the floor, the suspect seized the opportunity to snatch it up and fire at the victim."


I agree that anybody CAN be a target, for whatever the assaulter may think the person might have. However, it seems pretty silly to me for the author of this article to use an incident he admits didn't occur due to printing in order to make an issue about the potential hazards of printing. He couldn't find an actual assault/attempted robbery in which printing actually WAS the reason for it?

 

[USAF_Vet]

I've switched from IWB to pocket carry. The only change I made was putting the factory floor plate back on the primary mag, since the Pearce floor plate pinky extension prints like mad in my front pocket. My spare still has the Pearce, though.

Ankle carry is another option I've considered, but it is slow to draw, and very awkward.

If sticking with IWB, I'd opt for long shirts, untucked. Honestly, I think most people make far too big a deal over printing. Most people aren't studying you that closely to notice.