So here's the deal, I just traded away my only 9mm (Ruger SR9c) for a Ruger SR1911. I couldn't be happier with the trade, but it has left me 9mmless. I am a big fan of the 1911 platform and would like something similar in 9mm. Seems like the CZ75B single action would be the best choice, I handled a SA/DA yesterday at the LGS, feels good except for the creepy trigger. Apart from a hi-power or 1911 in 9mm, is there an option I'm not considering? Would be used for some competition, range use, and maybe as a sidearm while hunting. I like thinish grips, would want 16 or better capacity in the 500-700 dollar range
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As a die hard 1911 guy myself I'd tell you to take a look at a Canik TP9SFx. It's got one of the best out of the box triggers you'll find on a polymer pistol.
You'll get 20 round mags and it's firmly in your price range. As a matter of fact you could get the one that comes with the Vortex red dot and still be in your price range.
I bought one a few months ago and could not be happier. I use it solely for local club matches and I'm getting higher in the rankings every month.
You'll get 20 round mags and it's firmly in your price range. As a matter of fact you could get the one that comes with the Vortex red dot and still be in your price range.
I bought one a few months ago and could not be happier. I use it solely for local club matches and I'm getting higher in the rankings every month.
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My CZ's and clones thereof are my favorite pistols. For the money, the Israeli surplus Tanfoglio CZ clones are a great bargain when you happen to run across them. The Star Super B (full-sized) and BM (smaller) are nice-shooting 9mm 1911-style surplus pistols that shoot well and cost very little.
The OP might want something newer, but if anyone is interested in good-shooting steel 9mm pistols for not much money, those would be my recommendations.
The OP might want something newer, but if anyone is interested in good-shooting steel 9mm pistols for not much money, those would be my recommendations.
That super star b is right up my alley, but I figure if its 9mm I might as well have the capacity above my 45's. Though, if they allowed a New York reload in competition...maybe two Stars
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I'd say a P226 Legion SAO, but it's way over your price.
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I would say go with a used Browning Hi-Power but you would probably have to up your budget a bit to get something in decent shape. There's always the Hungarian FEG PJK-9HP and the Argentinian FM versions that are good quality and are available in the $400 to $500 price range. A CZ75 is also going to be more inline with what you want to spend on a high capacity single action 9mm.
I would say go with a used Browning Hi-Power but you would probably have to up your budget a bit to get something in decent shape. There's always the Hungarian FEG PJK-9HP and the Argentinian FM versions that are good quality and are available in the $400 to $500 price range. A CZ75 is also going to be more inline with what you want to spend on a high capacity single action 9mm.
What game? The rules of the particular game will likely have a big impact on what guns are viable.
I've never picked up a genuine Hi Power, what do you like about them over a CZ or other HP clone?
Mostly the action shooting leagues here in my area, more or less IDPA, I've just started with them so I'm not well versed in all the divisions and what not. I do know that I was competing with my Argentine Colt (mostly 7rd mags) against guys that had everything from $2000+ race guns with 28rd mags, to much more standard Glocks and such, and even with raining empty mags all over the place I was finishing in the top half of the competitors. So, I'm hoping to have something that feels familiar, but holds more
OK, I'll let one of the IDPA guys chime in. IDK whether the SAO trigger would bump you to ESP as opposed to SSP (or if those are even still the divisions).
I will say that, for USPSA, 9mm* only makes sense in production, carry optics, and single stack. Single stack is 1911-only, so that's irrelevant. Both production and CO require either DA/SA or striker-fired - SAO would put you in Limited, which generally rewards shooting 40 and up. So if you're thinking about USPSA/IPSC, the DA/SA CZ's and Tanfoglios in 9mm are popular and well-suited to the game. They're reasonably popular in SAO in Limited - but generally chambered in .40.
Also, I think both IDPA and (this part I'm sure about) USPSA Production limit you to 10 rounds in the magazine.
In short, SAO 9mm double-stacks can easily end up in a no-man's-land of division rules in some of the practical shooting games. Consider going with a DA/SA design that has a true safety - not a decocker. That way, if you want to use the gun only in single action, you just load it and apply the safety... now it's functionally like a condition-one 1911. But if you decide to play a game that rewards or requires a DA start, then you can do so. Many CZ's and Tanfo's are available with this configuration.
*Excluding 9mm major for open guns; and I'm not talking about PCC because this is thread about handguns, not carbines.
I will say that, for USPSA, 9mm* only makes sense in production, carry optics, and single stack. Single stack is 1911-only, so that's irrelevant. Both production and CO require either DA/SA or striker-fired - SAO would put you in Limited, which generally rewards shooting 40 and up. So if you're thinking about USPSA/IPSC, the DA/SA CZ's and Tanfoglios in 9mm are popular and well-suited to the game. They're reasonably popular in SAO in Limited - but generally chambered in .40.
Also, I think both IDPA and (this part I'm sure about) USPSA Production limit you to 10 rounds in the magazine.
In short, SAO 9mm double-stacks can easily end up in a no-man's-land of division rules in some of the practical shooting games. Consider going with a DA/SA design that has a true safety - not a decocker. That way, if you want to use the gun only in single action, you just load it and apply the safety... now it's functionally like a condition-one 1911. But if you decide to play a game that rewards or requires a DA start, then you can do so. Many CZ's and Tanfo's are available with this configuration.
*Excluding 9mm major for open guns; and I'm not talking about PCC because this is thread about handguns, not carbines.
I'm good with that, as long as the take up on the CZ's single action trigger can be shortened up, or there is another SA/DA option that has a crisper SA trigger
SIG-Sauer P226 or Grand Power K100 if you like polymer (it has an all steel internal frame by the way).
A SA CZ 75B action can be made light and crisp with a trigger job but why don't spend a little more money for a "ready" gun like the CZ SP-01?
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I saw those...I get a weak in the knees when I look at them, but then I get palpitations, not in my heart, but in my wallet
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For me the beauty of the Hi-Power is in it's grip size and shape. I have small hands and typically many guns with high capacity magazines just don't feel comfortable to me...whereas the Hi-Power feels perfect in every way. When I had a T Series Hi-Power the three biggest drawbacks to that gun were an extremely heavy trigger, tiny sights that I could barely see, and a thumb safety that required a mallet to put on and take off.
Some years go by and the new and improved Hi-Power Mk.II is introduced. Easy to see sights, great trigger right out of the box (without having to take out the mag safety), and an ambi thumb safety that works as it's supposed to. The finish is not the typical deep blue look but it has held up very well over 30 years of use. Didn't care for the thumb swell grips that came with it and immediately changed them out with a full set of Pachmayrs (I save the Hogue grips for "fancy" occasions)!
For me the beauty of the Hi-Power is in it's grip size and shape. I have small hands and typically many guns with high capacity magazines just don't feel comfortable to me...whereas the Hi-Power feels perfect in every way. When I had a T Series Hi-Power the three biggest drawbacks to that gun were an extremely heavy trigger, tiny sights that I could barely see, and a thumb safety that required a mallet to put on and take off.
Some years go by and the new and improved Hi-Power Mk.II is introduced. Easy to see sights, great trigger right out of the box (without having to take out the mag safety), and an ambi thumb safety that works as it's supposed to. The finish is not the typical deep blue look but it has held up very well over 30 years of use. Didn't care for the thumb swell grips that came with it and immediately changed them out with a full set of Pachmayrs (I save the Hogue grips for "fancy" occasions)!
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The grip is smaller in length and fits smaller hands better (IMO), the safety is in a poor position on CZ if you are really used to 1911 safeties (again, my opinion and hand fit). The 75s SA trigger will be lighter and better than most stock BHP, even with the mag safety removed (which really helps lighten the BHP trigher).
I have XL hands and find the Hi Power and better feeling gun in my hands, but my high grip and hand size leads to slide bite almost every time I shoot my Hi Power, the CZ beavertail eliminates this but is in a less comfortable position than a extended beavertail 1911.
I've spent years trying to find the correct 9mm, double stack, 1911 trigger (or close enough) SAO gun and the closest I was able to find was the SIG Legion 226 SAO. The beavertail, undercut trigger guard and flat trigger really set it apart from standard Sigs, for me.
The high power bit me and trigger isnt all that nice (though I like mine), CZs can be really nice in the trigger but I dislike their thumb safety and the grip doesnt fit me just right, the rest usually dont have the right trigger for me, doublestack 1911s are just a bit too bulky for carry (again, I like mine) and the EDC X9 is about $2K too expensive for me. I'm picky, I'll admit but it's been a long search to try to find a 9mm hi cap replacement to my excellent VBob
If you can live with the safety location (important for SAO) the CZ line is a great place to start, or one of the myriad clones.
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Here's a 1911 double stack 9mm that may be in your price range, not sure.
https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tac-series/tac-ultra-fs-hc-9mm/
Personally I would rather have a used Hi Power. They don't make those anymore and I've seen plenty of them at Cabelas and other places. Probably coming into the country from foreign military units.
https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tac-series/tac-ultra-fs-hc-9mm/
Personally I would rather have a used Hi Power. They don't make those anymore and I've seen plenty of them at Cabelas and other places. Probably coming into the country from foreign military units.
Well, I think what i have to do now, is decide if i want to start with a stock 75B and tinker with the trigger, maybe an oversize safety lever (I noticed the safety was not difficult, but not perfect) or just start saving for the Legion. I did pick up an SP01, felt nose heavy in my hand, though with a full mag probably balances well. The Grand Power is interesting, I have never shot anything with a rotating barrel, but I do believe the grip would be a bit chunky for my hands. I think if I do go CZ I will go with the DA/SA to maximize the classes I may compete in, just need to clean up the SA trigger. But in the meantime I'll see if there is a BHP I can get my hands on to try. I know the first time I picked up a 1911 it just felt right, if a BHP feels like that I may just have to go that road, and just accept the fact that I like the taste of the Kool Aid served at the Orthodox Church of John Browning. Think we could get a tax exemption if we actually started that?
CZ triggers clean up very, very nicely. They can be made excellent.
All that "nose heavy"-ness of an SP-01 helps tamp down muzzle rise in recoil. In games where most targets require two shots, and everything is on the clock, nose-heaviness is a good thing (to a point, but that point is pretty darn heavy!).
All that "nose heavy"-ness of an SP-01 helps tamp down muzzle rise in recoil. In games where most targets require two shots, and everything is on the clock, nose-heaviness is a good thing (to a point, but that point is pretty darn heavy!).
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