Cool little find at lgs

[troy fairweather]

I stopped in today at a local gun shop that's closing very soon, picked up a few small things. Missed out on the nicest us krag I've ever seen for a killer price.

since every thing must go they went into deep storage to sell what ever they had.i got 3 packs of these, I thought they were neat and will be cool to hang up.

there karlyn flares for 270win, got them for ¢75 each. They used R-P brass so 25¢ a case is not bad lol. Supposed to go up 1000 feet and be seen for 10 miles.

I will pull one down if anyone is interested, and maybe on the 4th of July pop a few off from my recently purchased win model70. Don't know if they will hurt the throat any tho. There pretty old, there's no bar code so I'd think 70s or older.

though some of you would like to see these, there were about 20 more packs and may just go and buy them for the brass.

 

[troy fairweather]

Ok I pulled one,what a pain in the butt. Had to work the case mouth some to expand it and had just enough to grab with wire strippers and pull it out. On top, the part thats the flare is a aluminum tube. 1.250" long it's drawn out and necked down like a cartridge case. Body is . 278" neck is . 200 outside diameter. Weight is 36.0 grains.

The Propellant is 2.0 grains, I would have thought more there primer probably has more punch then the powder lol. Interesting the weight of the flare and charge are the same as a 22lr brass looks new inside.

 

[LoonWulf]

not sure id shoot one of those out of that .270......but they are damn cool!

If you had a pushfeed .270 id give you that weird 270/06 barrel to launch em out of.

 

[adcoch1]

not sure id shoot one of those out of that .270......but they are damn cool!

If you had a pushfeed .270 id give you that weird 270/06 barrel to launch em out of.

Is that barrel a 30-06 chamber in a 270 bore, or a 270 vhamber in a 30 cal bore?

I have a fantastic curiousity for odd stuff like those flares. I'd try em!

 

[LoonWulf]

Is that barrel a 30-06 chamber in a 270 bore, or a 270 vhamber in a 30 cal bore?

I have a fantastic curiousity for odd stuff like those flares. I'd try em!

270 chamber 30 bore.

 

[adcoch1]

270 chamber 30 bore.

I wonder if a 30-06 ai reamer would clean that up....

 

[LoonWulf]

I wonder if a 30-06 ai reamer would clean that up....

270s long enough some neck would be left i think....id figgure set back a turn or so tho and youd be good.

 

[Llama Bob]

270s long enough some neck would be left i think....id figgure set back a turn or so tho and youd be good.

Sounds right - the .270 is a necked down/shoulder back -03 not an -06. Of course you can shoot resized -06 brass in one, but it's short.

If the chamber follows the brass, the neck will not clean up with an 06AI reamer, but the resulting chamber might still be serviceable. Setting back seems wise.

 

[troy fairweather]

I wonder if a 30-06 ai reamer would clean that up....

30 Gibbs would clean it up.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

"... maybe on the 4th of July pop a few off ..."
That got me thinking.
If I had an emergency on the 4th of July, Cinco de Mayo, New Years Eve, and had to use a signal flare, would anyone notice?

We had an abandoned rock quarry at the edge of town used as an unofficial public range since the 1950s. It had a pond for floating cans. And five tunnels, three with interconnecting cross tunnels. The longest was at least 40 feet wide, 50 feet high, and 550 feet long. Shooting Orion Red Meteor 12ga flares from a cylinder bore shotgun in those tunnels was a hoot to boot.

I never had a 12ga flare stick in a cylinder bore 12ga shotgun and Orion has only approved their flares for use in the pistol type flare guns. I have been told they can stick in a choke and seriously damage a shotgun barrel. I am not sure I would want to fire 1970s vintage flares in a rifle barrel.

 

[troy fairweather]

"... maybe on the 4th of July pop a few off ..."
That got me thinking.
If I had an emergency on the 4th of July, Cinco de Mayo, New Years Eve, and had to use a signal flare, would anyone notice?

We had an abandoned rock quarry at the edge of town used as an unofficial public range since the 1950s. It had a pond for floating cans. And five tunnels, three with interconnecting cross tunnels. The longest was at least 40 feet wide, 50 wide high, and 550 feet long. Shooting Orion Red Meteor 12ga flares from a cylinder bore shotgun in those tunnels was a hoot to boot.

I never had a 12ga flare stick in a cylinder bore 12ga shotgun and Orion has only approved their flares for use in the pistol type flare guns. I have been told they can stick in a choke and serious damage a shotgun barrel. I am not sure I would want to fire 1970s vintage flares in a rifle barrel.

Yeah unfortunately most emergency signals go unseen, more so these days.

my worry other then the stuff Corroding the bore is if one got stuck in the bore and burned. My buddy has a savage axis maybe we will try some in lol.

 

[troy fairweather]

not sure id shoot one of those out of that .270......but they are damn cool!

If you had a pushfeed .270 id give you that weird 270/06 barrel to launch em out of.

Yeah no push feeds, one lgs has like 3-4 push feed 70s for about $400. There all synthetic stocked, don't know if there worth that or not.

I'm afraid the thing getting stuck in the bore and acting like Thermite lol.

 

[LoonWulf]

Yeah no push feeds, one lgs has like 3-4 push feed 70s for about $400. There all synthetic stocked, don't know if there worth that or not.

I'm afraid the thing getting stuck in the bore and acting like Thermite lol.

Thats not bad, if in good shape its about what they should go for.

I actually like the pushfeed 70s except for the safety. They bed nicely and are generally pretty accurate.

 

[troy fairweather]

Thats not bad, if in good shape its about what they should go for.

I actually like the pushfeed 70s except for the safety. They bed nicely and are generally pretty accurate.

A few were a bit beat,but there maybe a nicer one mixed in.

 

[lemaymiami]

While I enjoyed all technical data and the back and forth about flares in rifles... if you actually need to be seen - you'll be disappointed, is my guess... Try one if you like and you'll soon see what I'm talking about.

If you really need to be seen - it's very hard to beat either a hand-held SOLAS flare - or the same thing in a parachute flare... Both are handheld (the para handheld until you fire it off...). They're what I have to have in a commercial, passengers for hire, boat that I work out of. They're also what is required on any vessel making an ocean crossing as part of their survival gear. No, they're not cheap - each handheld is around $10 at my local discount marine hardware store. The para version is around $60 each the last time I checked. Since they have very visible expiration dates marked on them I have to replace mine every three or four years so they get looked at whenever I'm standing inspection out on the water (usually by someone who's safety gear isn't as current or capable as my own -but that's another story...).

If you ever see a movie where the hero fires off a flare in a raging rainstorm - it was a SOLAS flare. The handhelds are about twice as bright as the road flares we were issued when I was in law enforcement years ago. Driving by active wreck scenes at night in recent years shows me that those old highway flares are still in use today. Those highway flares won't fire up easily in rain either...

SOLAS stands for "safety of life at sea" and it's a type of flare - not a brand... I keep my expired handhelds (a few of them) in my truck as emergency flares and even long expired they light it up and leave a cloud of smoke as well when you really need to be seen along some bad stretch of road...

 

[Speedo66]

While I enjoyed all technical data and the back and forth about flares in rifles... if you actually need to be seen - you'll be disappointed, is my guess... Try one if you like and you'll soon see what I'm talking about.

If you really need to be seen - it's very hard to beat either a hand-held SOLAS flare - or the same thing in a parachute flare... Both are handheld (the para handheld until you fire it off...). They're what I have to have in a commercial, passengers for hire, boat that I work out of. They're also what is required on any vessel making an ocean crossing as part of their survival gear. No, they're not cheap - each handheld is around $10 at my local discount marine hardware store. The para version is around $60 each the last time I checked. Since they have very visible expiration dates marked on them I have to replace mine every three or four years so they get looked at whenever I'm standing inspection out on the water (usually by someone who's safety gear isn't as current or capable as my own -but that's another story...).

If you ever see a movie where the hero fires off a flare in a raging rainstorm - it was a SOLAS flare. The handhelds are about twice as bright as the road flares we were issued when I was in law enforcement years ago. Driving by active wreck scenes at night in recent years shows me that those old highway flares are still in use today. Those highway flares won't fire up easily in rain either...

SOLAS stands for "safety of life at sea" and it's a type of flare - not a brand... I keep my expired handhelds (a few of them) in my truck as emergency flares and even long expired they light it up and leave a cloud of smoke as well when you really need to be seen along some bad stretch of road...

My son works in the marine industry, he gave me some expired SOLAS flares when we both still lived in NY. Figured they'd be great for July 4th.

Two things about those, the parachute flare takes off like a rocket, it actually has some push back and a roaring noise when it goes up. When it comes down it's still blazing, if on land, you better hope it lands on nothing combustible, like a roof. It melted and almost started an asphalt road on fire.

Same for the handhelds, much brighter than your eyes are comfortable with at night. Putting it in a bucket of water to put it out, ha, it lighted up a plastic bucket like a glow-stick and started boiling the water in it instead.

A smoke "grenade" filled an entire cul-de-sac with dense acrid orange smoke.

Kids, don't try this at home... lol

 

[lemaymiami]

the few times I've used a SOLAS handheld roadside in an emergency (when you tow a boat 20,000 miles a year you'll have an occasional real emergency - and usually in the worst weather possible...) they were long expired flares and I simply pop one and toss it back down the roadway as far as I can while I'm struggling to drag (yes drag, with my tow vehicle while the trailer frame is down on the ground...) a wounded boat trailer off of the roadway in heavy traffic.

As noted above they really get your attention and kept me safe while I was struggling in the roadway - an easy target for other vehicles.

There's also an alternative terminal self defense use for those handhelds - won't go into it here but it would make an impressive scene in some action movie. Hope I never have to find out the hard way...

 

[Archie]

"When I wus a boy..." Have to start that way, other wise people call me 'Higgens'.

It was in the middle to late 1970s these things were on open sale in places that sold ammunition as signal flares. After a short while many places keep them 'behind the counter' as they were a fire hazard in many locations. Some time later 'certain states' (PDSR being one of them) made them illegal on the basis of being a fire hazard.

They did work as advertised but I don't ever recall them being popular in a consumer manner. Haven't seen them (or looked) in years. I would think of more interest to a collector than anyone else.