Bullet Bob
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The gun mags are hinting heavily that Cooper will be coming out with a centerfire repeater - that usually means it's definite, but they aren't allowed to state it as fact just yet.
Cooper Firearms of Montana PROS & CONS?
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lunde
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My dad owns seventeen Cooper Arms rifles, with an eighteenth on the way that he doesn't know about. 
It is an M52 Classic in .280 Ackley Improved. The M52 is their new repeater action. It is a gift from me.
I own eleven of their rifles myself. I drove to South Dakota a month ago, and brought four of them with me. I used the two chambered in .204 Ruger, an M21 Montana Varminter and an M21 Phoenix, for serious prairie dog hunting, using the Sierra 32gr BlitzKing bullet in my handloads. Both shoot quarter-inch five-shot 100-yard groups. I also used my M57-BR (.22LR single-shot) for a dozen or so sub-100-yard shots. My M22 Phoenix in 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser (an uncataloged cartridge for Cooper Arms, but they will produce them on request) was used at my dad's outdoor range.
Two wildly enthusiastic "thumbs up" for Cooper Arms rifles.
Below are some of my best groups shot through Cooper Arms rifles, from newest to oldest.
It is an M52 Classic in .280 Ackley Improved. The M52 is their new repeater action. It is a gift from me.
I own eleven of their rifles myself. I drove to South Dakota a month ago, and brought four of them with me. I used the two chambered in .204 Ruger, an M21 Montana Varminter and an M21 Phoenix, for serious prairie dog hunting, using the Sierra 32gr BlitzKing bullet in my handloads. Both shoot quarter-inch five-shot 100-yard groups. I also used my M57-BR (.22LR single-shot) for a dozen or so sub-100-yard shots. My M22 Phoenix in 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser (an uncataloged cartridge for Cooper Arms, but they will produce them on request) was used at my dad's outdoor range.
Two wildly enthusiastic "thumbs up" for Cooper Arms rifles.
Below are some of my best groups shot through Cooper Arms rifles, from newest to oldest.
rangerruck
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to Lunde: I'll bet that 6.5 is an absolute dream to shoot, recoil must feel like a 223 or less for that kind of confident shooting.
I had to return my Cooper to the factory. 57M in 22LR and the best I could get was 1/2" groups with a flyer here and there...
First they recrowned it, shot it and went back to the bench. Rechambering didn't do what they wanted, so they replaced the barrel. Now it shoots 1/4" groups with everything from $10/box Eley Gold-Uber Match to $1 CCI std velocity.
Cooper paid to have it shipped round trip.
Did I mention I bought the gun USED?
Cooper didn't care: it had their name in it, and by God, they will make it shoot right.
Let me add my thumbs up along with those of my friend Lunde and his top-notch Dad.
(By the way, the guns aren't picky about ammo. Ken's groups for 223 above were loaded on my 550B at 300+/hr using my standard varmint load and new brass: nothing special)
First they recrowned it, shot it and went back to the bench. Rechambering didn't do what they wanted, so they replaced the barrel. Now it shoots 1/4" groups with everything from $10/box Eley Gold-Uber Match to $1 CCI std velocity.
Cooper paid to have it shipped round trip.
Did I mention I bought the gun USED?
Cooper didn't care: it had their name in it, and by God, they will make it shoot right.
Let me add my thumbs up along with those of my friend Lunde and his top-notch Dad.
(By the way, the guns aren't picky about ammo. Ken's groups for 223 above were loaded on my 550B at 300+/hr using my standard varmint load and new brass: nothing special)
lunde
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The Model 52 action is indeed Cooper Arms' centerfire repeater, using a three-round single-stack magazine. It will be chambered in .270, .280, and .30-06, and Ackley Improved versions, if available. Dan Cooper and Rob Behr were toting around prototype magazines at their 2006 SHOT Show reception.
As further evidence of its existence, although I have never dealt with them, L & M Enterprises has a list of what Cooper Arms rifles they have on order. See: http://www.lmenterprises.net/cooperRifes.php
The one I am buying for my dad was ordered through First Stop Guns (Rapid City, South Dakota).
As further evidence of its existence, although I have never dealt with them, L & M Enterprises has a list of what Cooper Arms rifles they have on order. See: http://www.lmenterprises.net/cooperRifes.php
The one I am buying for my dad was ordered through First Stop Guns (Rapid City, South Dakota).
I had placed an order for a 57M LVT in .17MR last March when Dan paid a visit to a (relatively) local gun shop and was told it'll be about 6 months. It actually took about 3. The quality is, as noted above, pretty top end. The guns are very pretty. My factory group was a single slight oval hole. To be fair, Dan did state the the '50 yd' groups are really 44 yds. The difference being the space available and the length of the table shot from. Still, even at that distance, the group is spectacular. A little difficult to dublicate due to the regularly windy conditions of my regular range, but I think the gun will do it. Cooper does specify a certain break-in procedure for the barrel.
The only shortcoming of my gun is that the wrist (grip) of the stock is a little more narrow than I'd like, but then again, I don't normally put a full grip on the gun when benching. (And, of course as someone else noted, the thought of the gun getting scratched and dinged.)
The only shortcoming of my gun is that the wrist (grip) of the stock is a little more narrow than I'd like, but then again, I don't normally put a full grip on the gun when benching. (And, of course as someone else noted, the thought of the gun getting scratched and dinged.)
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I got my .243 Phoenix after 6 months... for $1400. I don't consider that expensive for a fine shooter. The walnut stocks are magnificent, and add a lot more to the cost. Gun shoots tight, trigger is excellent (and adjustable), I have nothing but admiration for Coopers
ShunZu
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The Jan/Feb '08 issue of Petersen's Rifle Shooter has a good article on the Cooper 52 Western Classic. Absolutely beautiful rifle, sub MOA groups with a wide variety of ammo. Listed $3,295 according to the article. I want one badly in .30/06 but it's a chunk of change to flop down... and I'm busy writing a sequel so there isn't much time to hit the range anyway.
Several friends own Coopers and have never said anything negative that I can recall. Only good things about the Coopers of Montana.
Several friends own Coopers and have never said anything negative that I can recall. Only good things about the Coopers of Montana.
skinewmexico
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For that kind of money, I'd expect a little better than 1/2" 3 shot group with handloads. They should at least do 5 shot groups.
JohnBT
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I like the 3-shot group in post #27. It's .05", not .5".
I also like my Custom Classic .22 LR.
John
I also like my Custom Classic .22 LR.
John
I wont support Cooper Firearms after learning that they support Sen. Obama in his run for Presidency. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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A company run by morons deserves to die.
skinewmexico
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Five shot groups are hard to do. Three shot are easy.
jmorganal
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Don't look now, a two-year old thread.
I will not be buying any Coopers.
"......This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention......"
"......This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention......"
guntotinguy
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No matter what the circumstances,I wont be spreading any wealth their way...not saying why because it would sound 'political'.
Seems a bit harsh!
I'll be buying a Cooper in .17. I've got a couple of buddies who are doing the same thing. Coopers are some of the finest firearms available anywhere.
Besides if you're gonna stiff everything that's pro Obama you're in for a tough eight years and beyond!
Remember it took a whole lotta ugly to get the electorate in this land to give rise to an Obama.
Thank Pres. Shortbus!
CRITGIT
wacki
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I'm boycotting cooper because he happens to send "maximum donations" to antigun politicians.
For example:
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/10/cooper_arms_exe.php
I know a guy who set his cooper on fire when he heard of their CEO's political musings.
For example:
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/10/cooper_arms_exe.php
I know a guy who set his cooper on fire when he heard of their CEO's political musings.
alaskanativeson
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Let's try to avoid a blow-up over the Cooper fiasco. Here are my take on the important items on this issue:
- Dan Cooper donated to the Obama campaign.
- Cooper Firearms asked Dan Cooper to resign which he has done.
The employees at Cooper make great firearms here in the USA and shouldn't be punished because of the actions of the guy who used to be at the head of their company. If Cooper does bring out a repeater in a caliber I'm interested in, I'll buy one.
- Dan Cooper donated to the Obama campaign.
- Cooper Firearms asked Dan Cooper to resign which he has done.
The employees at Cooper make great firearms here in the USA and shouldn't be punished because of the actions of the guy who used to be at the head of their company. If Cooper does bring out a repeater in a caliber I'm interested in, I'll buy one.
Is he still a share holder? There is "resigning" and then there is no longer being affiliated in anyway with a company. They are not forcedly the same thing. I don't know but would not be surprised in the least if the guy is still making money from firearms purchased from that company. They are not the only ones that make nice accurate rifles and I personally would not purchase a cooper even if there weren't.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Pro: You get an outstanding rifle.
Con: Your money will go to support the gun-grabber Obama.
Not worth it, IMO.
Con: Your money will go to support the gun-grabber Obama.
Not worth it, IMO.
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