Costco is officially anti-gun, anti-CCW
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Manedwolf
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I now consider shopping in a Costco to be a higher-risk activity doing so in other warehouse stores.
One, less law-abiding citizens are carrying and able to stop an attacker. And two, just as with "gun free schools", a murderous rampager will be more likely to pick it as a target.
I want to shop where others of my fellow law-abiding citizens are armed. If some nutcase came in and started spraying, it'd be a lot better to see other fellow armed citizens besides yourself drawing and trying to line up a shot as you all went for hard cover...not just you and you alone.
I don't think BJs has this policy. Sam's is a waste of time to me, their prices on most items are HIGHER than major discount stores, especially electronics.
One, less law-abiding citizens are carrying and able to stop an attacker. And two, just as with "gun free schools", a murderous rampager will be more likely to pick it as a target.
I want to shop where others of my fellow law-abiding citizens are armed. If some nutcase came in and started spraying, it'd be a lot better to see other fellow armed citizens besides yourself drawing and trying to line up a shot as you all went for hard cover...not just you and you alone.
I don't think BJs has this policy. Sam's is a waste of time to me, their prices on most items are HIGHER than major discount stores, especially electronics.
I was under the impression that in some states in order to stop licensed individuals from entering the premesis with a firearm, a certain sign had to be posted with ordinance numbers on it. If the sign did not comply with the law of that jurisdiction, then it had no legal baring to the individuals entering the premesis.
I will point out however, we get all up in arms about this sort of thing, but the next time you go to your local gun store look at what they have on the door. I know here in GA, especially in the Atlanta area, that they have absolutely no loaded firearms are allowed signs on their doors. Maybe we should clean up our ranks before we go crusading against the antis.
I will point out however, we get all up in arms about this sort of thing, but the next time you go to your local gun store look at what they have on the door. I know here in GA, especially in the Atlanta area, that they have absolutely no loaded firearms are allowed signs on their doors. Maybe we should clean up our ranks before we go crusading against the antis.
03Shadowbob
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There's nothing in the FL Statutes, that I can find, that says it is against the law to carry into a costco. Below is the brief list of where you can't carry in FL.
Possession Restrictions
The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.
any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
Possession Restrictions
The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.
any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
Thefabulousfink
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petrel800,
As far as gun stores go, most of the Mom&Pop stores up hear don't say anything. I believe Sportsman's Warehouse has some sort of policy, but I have brought in a couple firearms to buy accesories for and the managers all told me this:
"If you have a permit and the gun stays in your holster (out of sight) we don't much care. If you are going to be taking your gun out to size holsters, fit scopes, etc. we ask that you unload it and check it in at customer service."
It's nice living in a free state.
Edit: This was what the managers have told me for this one store, it is NOT official policy.
As far as gun stores go, most of the Mom&Pop stores up hear don't say anything. I believe Sportsman's Warehouse has some sort of policy, but I have brought in a couple firearms to buy accesories for and the managers all told me this:
"If you have a permit and the gun stays in your holster (out of sight) we don't much care. If you are going to be taking your gun out to size holsters, fit scopes, etc. we ask that you unload it and check it in at customer service."
It's nice living in a free state.
Edit: This was what the managers have told me for this one store, it is NOT official policy.
DoubleTapDrew
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That's too bad, I like Costco's prices.
Nobody will see your CCW if you are properly carrying concealed, and if it ever has to come out, violating Costco's policy is the least of your concerns.
Nobody will see your CCW if you are properly carrying concealed, and if it ever has to come out, violating Costco's policy is the least of your concerns.
I suppose we should comply with their rules. I don't like the idea of tying up my gun on a leash outside the store but rules are rules. Maybe I can convince them that it's my "seeing eye gun"?
Protein anchor
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That's funny.
DR...funny. I will have to go down there and see if my Costco has one f these signs. I need a holster first!
DR...funny. I will have to go down there and see if my Costco has one f these signs. I need a holster first!
MillCreek
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In Seattle, the home of Costco and where the founder and owner of Costco still lives, there are no such signs on the local Costcos. I have not seen such a sign on any Costco in Washington state. As suggested upthread, I suspect this may be due to the laws in a particular jurisdiction, like when I am in Texas, and see all the no-carry signs posted on businesses there.
Dravur
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hmmmmm..
Corporations are all about the bottom line? wow! what a novel concept! I didn't know that they are supposed to be altruistic forms of a quasi-state. Of course businesses make decisions every day for the good of "Their Business" That is what a business does. They have absolutly no requirement for them to be someone's nanny or must hug a tree every day. they are in the business to.....make a profit for the people who own the business <Bonk>
So, when you think that a business should do X, whether conservative policy or liberal, they do that based on whether it is good for buisiness. There are some businesses who promote left wing causes as they think this is where their brad is buttered or the corporation likes to donate to pet causes. There are others whose only concern is making a profit. Again, nothing wrong with that.
Your only choice is whether you shop there or not. If you don't like their policies, take your biz elsewhere. If enough people stop buying there, they will have to adapt or close.
Corporations are all about the bottom line? wow! what a novel concept! I didn't know that they are supposed to be altruistic forms of a quasi-state. Of course businesses make decisions every day for the good of "Their Business" That is what a business does. They have absolutly no requirement for them to be someone's nanny or must hug a tree every day. they are in the business to.....make a profit for the people who own the business <Bonk>
So, when you think that a business should do X, whether conservative policy or liberal, they do that based on whether it is good for buisiness. There are some businesses who promote left wing causes as they think this is where their brad is buttered or the corporation likes to donate to pet causes. There are others whose only concern is making a profit. Again, nothing wrong with that.
Your only choice is whether you shop there or not. If you don't like their policies, take your biz elsewhere. If enough people stop buying there, they will have to adapt or close.
Henry Bowman
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For those who have not noticed, there are parts of this world that are not in Texas.
I know, I know, the law in Texas is the law everywhere. Least that's what I wrote on the bar exam.
Valkman
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I haven't seen that sign here, and it would be worthless anyway legally. I walked by the same sign at a casino in Pahrump - means nothing in NV. I don't have to obey it, the bad guys won't obey it so it's definitely useless.
cbsbyte
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The Costco near here does not have any signs up. Maybe it just your local store manager decision or a regional dicision. Personally I would not make a big deal about it since it is their property. They have the right to ask people not to carry firearms, just as you have the right not to shop there. I bet this decision is based on a Costco's Attorney's reason to fear a lawsuit.
Optical Serenity
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A funny story about Costco:
About two years ago myself, another police officer, and my family to include two females, and a child, went to costco.
Now, mind you, the two of us were off duty so we simply had guns on in belt holsters. Matching glocks too. We were plain clothes, no costume, but we did have our work radios with us, as we were listening to a situation in progress in the area. So, we were walking around the store, and we hear:
"Radio to 1311 copy a Signal 54, Signal 69 at Costco..." followed by address.
Signal 54 = suspiscious person
Signal 69 = armed person
so, they go on:
"Signal 54 is going to be two males, appear hispanic, a child and two females, the two males are 69 with handguns, appear very 54 according to Costco management"
So, we looked at each other, and knew what was about to happen. With our badge & ID's in hand, we walked to the front of the store. Needless to say, several pd units arrived, and approached us. We didn't show badge or ID at first, but did have our radios in hand, 5.11 pants on, and polo shirts.
The officers looked at us, then became fairly upset at the costco employees and even said to them "WHAT EXACTLY LOOKS SUSPICIOUS ABOUT TWO GUYS WITH GUNS? ARE YOU KIDDING US?" and after we started to talk to them, a few of them actually recognized us too, we laughed it off, and ever since I have had a very low regard for Costco.
The fact of the matter is, this is Georgia...open carry by a licensed citizen is perfectly ok.. I think the costco employees were fairly surprised to see that while PD showed up very quickly, they thought the notion of two men simply shopping (with their family no less) was ludicris.
Also, the store offered no appologies to us or the responding officers.
Costco's behavior that day:
Note: That Costco, and others I have seen in Georgia do NOT have a sign up restricting firearms. Also Georgia law does not give businesses the right to use such signs. All they can do in GA is ask the person to leave.
About two years ago myself, another police officer, and my family to include two females, and a child, went to costco.
Now, mind you, the two of us were off duty so we simply had guns on in belt holsters. Matching glocks too. We were plain clothes, no costume, but we did have our work radios with us, as we were listening to a situation in progress in the area. So, we were walking around the store, and we hear:
"Radio to 1311 copy a Signal 54, Signal 69 at Costco..." followed by address.
Signal 54 = suspiscious person
Signal 69 = armed person
so, they go on:
"Signal 54 is going to be two males, appear hispanic, a child and two females, the two males are 69 with handguns, appear very 54 according to Costco management"
So, we looked at each other, and knew what was about to happen. With our badge & ID's in hand, we walked to the front of the store. Needless to say, several pd units arrived, and approached us. We didn't show badge or ID at first, but did have our radios in hand, 5.11 pants on, and polo shirts.
The officers looked at us, then became fairly upset at the costco employees and even said to them "WHAT EXACTLY LOOKS SUSPICIOUS ABOUT TWO GUYS WITH GUNS? ARE YOU KIDDING US?" and after we started to talk to them, a few of them actually recognized us too, we laughed it off, and ever since I have had a very low regard for Costco.
The fact of the matter is, this is Georgia...open carry by a licensed citizen is perfectly ok.. I think the costco employees were fairly surprised to see that while PD showed up very quickly, they thought the notion of two men simply shopping (with their family no less) was ludicris.
Also, the store offered no appologies to us or the responding officers.
Costco's behavior that day:
Note: That Costco, and others I have seen in Georgia do NOT have a sign up restricting firearms. Also Georgia law does not give businesses the right to use such signs. All they can do in GA is ask the person to leave.
crucible
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I don't believe the COSTCO near my house is posted-good thing as they have doggone good gas prices. That said, Sam's Club is right down the street too, and I have no problem letting COSTCO know my and my family's decision to spent thousands of dollars yearly with thier biggest competitor if they do go out of thier way to post.
I don't believe that to be the case at all; if you are asked to leave you must, otherwise you can be prosecuted for trespassing of course. Do you have a link to the state laws to confirm?
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I don't believe that to be the case at all; if you are asked to leave you must, otherwise you can be prosecuted for trespassing of course. Do you have a link to the state laws to confirm?
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longeyes
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Count me as someone who believes that corporations are part of society and share certain political and cultural values with the nations that birthed them. Making a profit, in defiance of the basic principles of the Constitution (RKBA) and winking at immigration laws, is dishonorable. Yes, you heard me right. Without honoring those and other essential principles "business," as we know it, becomes an ignoble enterprise and very likely one without much of a future. I don't expect the generation of analysts, bean-counters, and "marketing" types to grasp this basic notion. Corporations have been anomalous from the outset and always uneasy allies of those who believe in liberty. The really "novel concept" is that your country comes first, and maybe it's time we reminded ourselves of that in our pursuit of life, liberty, and expanding profits.
Nicolai
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Pretty interesting thread.
I quit going to Costco when their bigwigs decided to throw lots of $ at political candidates like John Kerry. Interesting that lots of consumers vote with their feet and their $ when a company like Costco goes bonehead.
Right after we got our CHL, my wife and I were at the Quarry Market in San Antonio and Whole Earth Provisions had one of the signs with a red circle surrounding a semi-automatic pistol and a red slash through it. My wife, bless her heart, said, "looks like they don't like Glocks, good thing we carry Smiths." Our only trip since to the Quarry Market was for a book signing by retired Texas Ranger H. Joaquin Jackson.
I quit going to Costco when their bigwigs decided to throw lots of $ at political candidates like John Kerry. Interesting that lots of consumers vote with their feet and their $ when a company like Costco goes bonehead.
Right after we got our CHL, my wife and I were at the Quarry Market in San Antonio and Whole Earth Provisions had one of the signs with a red circle surrounding a semi-automatic pistol and a red slash through it. My wife, bless her heart, said, "looks like they don't like Glocks, good thing we carry Smiths." Our only trip since to the Quarry Market was for a book signing by retired Texas Ranger H. Joaquin Jackson.
ZeSpectre
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Guys, the psychology of many people (especially city dwellers) has been warped to the point that they can't conceive of anyone just wanting to carry a gun. Hell I have had people FREAK over my 4" pocket knife with the typical reaction of "JESUS, you have a KNIFE IN DC! WHY, ISN'T THAT ILLEGAL!!!"
So I often ask them what I'm supposed to do, gnaw boxes open with my teeth???
So I often ask them what I'm supposed to do, gnaw boxes open with my teeth???
Dravur
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Sigh...
A business as an entity is not a person and is not guaranteed rights by our country. A business as an entity is designed for one issue, to make money for it's owners. How it goes about this is up to its corporate culture. Do they break the law and hire illegals? do they give money to charities from both the left and the right? possibly, but that is a corporate decision.
In the former, hiring illegals, it is illegal and the business could suffer repurcussions. In the latter, they could lose business by donating to causes. Again, a business is not inherently evil and not inherently good. It exists for one reason. The people RUNNING the business may have their own agenda, but the business in and of itself is largely apolitical. Does Toyota have a responsibility to the U.S. to make the US Better? Or do they have a responsibility to Japan? Does Ford have a responsibility to the US or to Chile, where they also sell cars?
Business are reactionaries to government, but in and of themselves, they have nothing to do with government. It gets very silly claiming that businesses are behiolding to the government for anything. Businesses are businesses, nothing else. They work and react to the government and work within the structure, but have no morality of their own.
A business as an entity is not a person and is not guaranteed rights by our country. A business as an entity is designed for one issue, to make money for it's owners. How it goes about this is up to its corporate culture. Do they break the law and hire illegals? do they give money to charities from both the left and the right? possibly, but that is a corporate decision.
In the former, hiring illegals, it is illegal and the business could suffer repurcussions. In the latter, they could lose business by donating to causes. Again, a business is not inherently evil and not inherently good. It exists for one reason. The people RUNNING the business may have their own agenda, but the business in and of itself is largely apolitical. Does Toyota have a responsibility to the U.S. to make the US Better? Or do they have a responsibility to Japan? Does Ford have a responsibility to the US or to Chile, where they also sell cars?
Business are reactionaries to government, but in and of themselves, they have nothing to do with government. It gets very silly claiming that businesses are behiolding to the government for anything. Businesses are businesses, nothing else. They work and react to the government and work within the structure, but have no morality of their own.
30 cal slob
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costo's in my home state (Connecticut) are not posted.
come to think of it, i haven't seen any stores posted in nearby NY state either.
must be a local manager discretion thing (?).
come to think of it, i haven't seen any stores posted in nearby NY state either.
must be a local manager discretion thing (?).
It's an insurance thing, no doubt.
However, they can't SAY that in the e-mail.
This message could be expensive to them: "You know, we really don't give a crap. Just keep it concealed. But we have to post that sign because our insurance is a lot higher if we tell them there are loaded firearms on premises."
However, they can't SAY that in the e-mail.
This message could be expensive to them: "You know, we really don't give a crap. Just keep it concealed. But we have to post that sign because our insurance is a lot higher if we tell them there are loaded firearms on premises."
Mac Attack
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What Costco doesn't know won't hurt them.
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Zundfolge
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I hear that all the time and I don't buy it ... if that was true than EVERY STINKING BUSINESS would have signs up.
Its a political thing and/or its an ignorance thing, but I don't believe that insurance companies are forcing businesses to put up "No CCW" signs.
The key is to let businesses know that if they insist on making such political statements they will not get our (gun owners) money. Then they have to decide which is more important, their political statements or our money (and if enough of us let them know our money is leaving, they'll drop this scat right quick).
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