Council, mayor feud over high-powered police rifles

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Council, mayor feud over high-powered police rifles
Tuesday, January 08, 2008
BY JOE ELIAS
Of The Patriot-News

DUNCANNON - The Borough Council doesn't know why Duncannon's police department owns two high-powered semiautomatic assault rifles or who purchased them.

The council decided in 2001 that officers would provide their own weapons after a handgun was stolen from the police station.

"At the time, the decision was made that if council couldn't secure them, they wouldn't own them," Councilman Michael Fedor said.
In November 2007, some council members learned they had purchased two AR-15 assault weapons for $1,644 and a 12-gauge shotgun for $511.

A special council committee has determined the two military-style rifles and shotgun were bought from Witmer Associates Inc. of Chester County in September 2005.

However, it hasn't learned who orchestrated the purchase. The receipts were presented to the council mixed with other police purchases and supplies marked "capital purchases," the committee found.

The bills said nothing about such weapons.

"I missed it," President Duane Hammaker said.

Council members said the purchase of the guns was not part of the 2007 budget and the council never discussed buying them.

The council then directed Mayor Kraig Nace to take the weapons out of service and sell them.

But Nace said he has not sold the weapons and would not unless he receives legal advice that he should do so. He said the weapons are locked in a vault in the police station, and he noted that security there has greatly improved.

While some council members worried about liability issues if the weapons were stolen, Nace said there were larger concerns, such as officer safety.

"The liability of losing a life is much greater," Nace said.

The council showed little concern Monday night about determining who solicited the bids for the guns. Members of the special committee said the bids had to have been solicited by a borough employee or a borough official.

The debate at Monday night's meeting centered around whether the borough should keep the guns and allow them to be used.

"I didn't think they were needed in the borough," Hammaker said.

Councilman Michael Bomberger said the issue shouldn't be "de-arming" the police, but deciding what equipment is needed.

Bomberger noted that if the weapons were fired in the borough, the bullets would be powerful enough to go through several buildings.

Councilman John Conrad said he was uncomfortable with how the council handled the matter of ordering the mayor to sell the guns.

"I want to have a conversation with the mayor and the police on why we need them," Conrad said.

The council is expected to address the issue of making the mayor sell the weapons at its Jan. 15 meeting.

Nace and police department members are expected to attend that meeting.
*Emphasis mine.


Apparently the police in Duncannon 'are not professional enough' to use rifles. After all, the bullets will go through several buildings. :barf:
 
Good for goose, good for gander. City council has to live with the consequences of their ignorange and bigotry. The city has to live with the consequences of their votes.
 
It won't matter, until they are outgunned by a bad guy. And as always the local PD will get the blame for not having them(every one will ignore the fact their rifles were taken away) and everyone will cry for more gun control.
 
Wow, they're even going after police departments! What's next, the military?

Got a kick out of that 'through several buildings' comment.
 
Good for goose, good for gander. City council has to live with the consequences of their ignorange and bigotry. The city has to live with the consequences of their votes.

Yup. People get the governments they deserve.
 
While I don't agree with the arguments told of in the article, I do believe that the ONLY firearms-related "why do you need....?" questions that should be asked by anyone are toward the police.

Citizens should be allowed anything (we'll see what happens with Heller), and the law enforcement community should have effective armaments, but not overkill. Mind you, I'm not saying AR15s are overkill at all!
 
If you arm the cops like they're the military they'll act like they're the military. They should have lever actions.
 
I don't see what the problem is. The city council is freely elected, and it is there job to carry out the operation of the city as the voters see fit.

If the voters want their police to carry ARs, I bet they would have elected city council who would have done that.

Sorry if Democracy in action doesn't sit well with some of you guys.
 
If you arm the cops like they're the military they'll act like they're the military. They should have lever actions.

Yeah, why don't we just go back to muzzle loaders? After all, nobody really needs a gun designed for spraying a hail of bullets with a pistol grip that makes it easier to mow down innocent school children and bystanders. If the cops don't need anything more than a lever action, why would you? :banghead:
 
The second amendment does not apply to the government or it's agents. Plus the police officers were supposed to pay for their own weapons. Instead they tricked the city into paying for them.
 
Reminds me of the opening sequence in Jaws where the town council runs security. Everybody tries to be an expert.Police departments need to be able to conduct their own business without too much political meddling.
 
And when the dust from this fuss is settled, they need to revisit the building code.......

Good point elrod!

Of course after the buildings get to the proper code, they will probably ban "Bullet-Proof Tactical Buildings"....

And make everyone tear them down.
 
The arguement that if you arm the police like the military... we're talking about just semi-autos too... by this line of thinking, some of us arm ourselves like the military and we wind up griping about a bunch of "ninjas" and wannabes among the police and the private citizens.

My Daddy knew a police officer in a small town in Alabama years ago... the guy carried an M1 Carbine in his car. The Carbine is also a semi-auto military weapon as well as having pulled truck gun duty for a lot of folks before they got so expensive.

Remember ya'll... it ain't just the EBRs the antis are after. They want the leverguns and anything else that shoots too.
 
The PD tricked the city council into buying weapons for them. That's the only reason the council is upset about it.
 
"DUNCANNON - The Borough Council doesn't know why Duncannon's police department owns two high-powered semiautomatic assault rifles or who purchased them."

How is this happening in gun-friendly PA??!!
Seeing that Duncannon is just north of the growing URBAN sprawl of Harrisburg, it's fair to say that having firepower equal to the drug dealers and gangs (including an ever increaing illegal-alien Hispanic community) is long overdue.

Wake up from your Mayberry mentality City Council!
 
This is great!

They are going to correct the potential problem of these high powered bullets going through several buildings....by SELLING THE WEAPONS!

If someone who lives across the street purchases them, HOW ARE THEY ANY SAFER?
 
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