Councilman proposes a 3 day waiting period in Kentucky

[Nanook]

These waiting periods are only effective if a person owns no other guns, and if they aren't willing to buy an illegal gun.

This guy must either have a room temp IQ, or he's a transplant from IL where 3 day waits for handguns have been around for decades.

 

[Midwest]

Here is a followup to this story I posted in September. Well the resolution passed and now it is heading to Frankfort (our State Capitol).

On one of the other sites, where I initially posted it, the response was they basically blew it off saying it will go nowhere. Well this is certainly going somewhere, to the state capital. And yesterday, Fox 19 (the local FOX affiliate out of Cincinnati) covered it several times on their morning broadcast.

Just because we live live in Kentucky doesn't mean we are safe from East Coast gun control ideas. No state is safe from these kind of ideas.


"Ky. council passes resolution for 3 day waiting period for gun buyers"

http://www.fox19.com/story/23641987/fort-thomas-gun-resolution-passed-in-council


"FT. THOMAS, KY (FOX19) -

Council members in Fort Thomas have passed a resolution that calls for a three-day waiting period for anyone buying a gun in Kentucky.

Fort Thomas council member Ken Bowman proposed the resolution saying that three days would allow for a "cooling off period" to prevent violent shootings.

....Council members say the resolution will go to Frankfort for consideration."

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[hso]

Looks like you're dealing with a Chicago gun control ideas there.

Does KY have state preemption? Does KY have an RKBA organization that can argue that 3 day waiting periods accomplish nothing?

 

[Midwest]

Looks like you're dealing with a Chicago gun control ideas there.

Does KY have state preemption? Does KY have an RKBA organization that can argue that 3 day waiting periods accomplish nothing?

KY does have state preemption and we passed a law furthering that more.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/20608071/new-law-prevents-ky-citie

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- The city of Louisville can no longer define a firearm as a "deadly weapon." That's the indirect result of a new state law in Kentucky that prevents local governments from regulating or enacting gun laws.

The new state law does not mean guns aren't deadly weapons, it simply means it's the state's role to enact and implement any gun laws, not local governments, individuals or muncipalities, said Councilman Kevin Kramer, R - Council District 11. Those not in compliance are considered in violation of state law."


As far as KY pro-gun rights organizations: This thread gives a good example of the pro-gun climate here in KY.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=27&t=507833

"There really isn't a big pro-gun group in Kentucky. The reason being is Kentucky is very pro-gun, even the Democrats, so people feel safe and don't join. "


I think we need a state wide pro-gun organization in Kentucky. There is supposed to be "KC3" which is a pro conceal carry organization. Their website has been down for some time now. And there is http://kysrpa.org/2010/what-is-the-kysrpa (Kentucky State Rifle and Pistol Association).

But I don't think there is anything in the Bluegrass that is really organized like Virginia's VCDL http://www.vcdl.org/

I'm rather surprised that this resolution was even passed in Fort Thomas. And that is what is concerning about it. My opinion is that we seem to be taking our gun rights for granted in this fine state. Perhaps nothing will come out of this resolution when it is presented in Frankfort. But suppose it does? Suppose we do have others particularly in Louisville and Lexington who think this is a great idea and it gains momentum?

I think taking our gun rights for granted is going to come back and bite us in the butt one day and we'll wake up and ask what just happened. I'm not paranoid about it either. We could have lost most of our rights right here in Kentucky with this ...........

(From a Government site and should not be subject to copyright)

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/13rs/hb265.htm



HB 265/LM/CI (BR 905) - M. Marzian, J. Wayne, T. Burch, J. Crenshaw, K. Flood, J. Jenkins, D. Owens, D. Watkins

AN ACT relating to firearms and declaring an emergency.
Create new sections of KRS Chapter 237 to specify definitions for assault weapons, large-capacity ammunition-feeding devices, and ammunition sellers; require background checks for private firearms sales; require reporting to law enforcement of firearm and ammunition thefts and losses; require the safe storage of firearms; amend KRS 395.250 to require an estate's inventory to list each firearm; amend KRS 403.735 to require judges when issuing an order of protection to consider whether a person against whom the order is entered should be prohibited from possessing an firearm; amend KRS 504.030 to require judges in criminal cases where a person is found guilty by reason of insanity to demand the surrender of the defendant's firearms; amend KRS 506.080 to specify that the offense of facilitation includes assistance in providing firearms; amend KRS 508.020 to include physical injury to a minor by virtue of the intentional discharge of a firearm within the offense of assault in the second degree; create a new section of KRS Chapter 527 to create the offense of criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon; amend KRS 527.040 to require that the sentence for a felon in possession of a firearm run consecutively with any other felony sentence; amend KRS 527.070 to include colleges and universities within the existing ban on firearms in schools; amend KRS 532.030 to require the judge pronouncing a defendant guilty but mentally ill to demand the surrender of the person's firearms; create a new section of KRS Chapter 237 to require the State Police to promulgate administrative regulations relating to the licensing of persons to possess firearms and assault weapons, the registration of firearms and assault weapons, and the logging of firearms and ammunition sales effective January 1, 2014; repeal KRS 65.870; "

Repealing 65.870 would have let towns and cities enact their own firearm ordinances. The fact that this legislation was even drafted up and got this far tells me we need a stronger gun lobby here in Kentucky.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Wow. A lot has changed since I left My Old Kentucky Home in 1998. Hope you guys get through this without any scars, preferably without even any scratches.

 

[Midwest]

Here is a followup on the proposed 3 day waiting period for Kentucky. It was finally published on the Ft Thomas.org site today. Note: These are legal proceedings are public information by a city government and should not be subject to copyright restrictions.

While some have said that this will end up going nowhere, the point is ...that it was proposed, and that it even got this far and made into into a resolution should be a concern to all gun owners in Kentucky. We need to ask ourselves how many of these proposals and resolutions are happening in other parts Kentucky and no one is bringing it to light? Lets stop deluding ourselves by saying "it can't happen here"...because we live in a pro-gun state, because it can.

Locally for those living in Ft Thomas, lets remember them when the elections come up and have them voted out of office next year. Lets not just concentrate on the pro-gun candidates but lets make sure to remember who the anti-gun candidates are and work toward having them voted out. If you think NJ, NY, MD, CT, and CA are the only states that has anti-gun politicians, then add Kentucky to that list.


http://www.ftthomas.org/Resolutions/R-04-2013 Gun-waiting period.htm



RESOLUTION R-04-2013



A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF FORT THOMAS, CAMPBELL COUNTY, KENTUCKY, SUPPORTING STATE LEGISLATION REQUIRING A THREE-DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR PURCHASE OF FIREARMS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY.



WHEREAS, on August 6, 2013, a domestic dispute escalated into the

attempted murder of Alisa Waters Mathis by her estranged husband, Dennis Mathis, who shot the 31-year-old woman in the building where her office was located on Grand Avenue in Fort Thomas before taking his own life with the same gun.



WHEREAS, Mr. Mathis purchased the handgun used in the shooting less than one day before it occurred – purchasing the handgun in the afternoon August 5 and using it in the crime early the next morning.



WHEREAS, the owner of the business where Ms. Mathis worked recently appeared before the Fort Thomas City Council to thank the City for the efforts of its law enforcement personnel on the day of the shooting and described the fear, anxiety, and apprehension that he and other employees of his business experienced in the aftermath of the shooting.



WHEREAS, the states of California, Florida, Iowa, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Wisconsin and the District of Columbia all have imposed waiting period for the sale of some or all firearms.



WHEREAS, a majority of the Fort Thomas City Council believes it is in the best interest of the residents of this city and of all citizens of the Commonwealth of Kentucky that the Kentucky General Assembly enact a law that requires a “cooling off” period after a person decides to purchase a firearm.



WHEREAS, it is not unreasonable to require a three-day waiting period for any person wishing to purchase a firearm in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.



WHEREAS, it is the position of a majority of the Fort Thomas City Council that Kentucky’s existing state statutes regarding the purchase of firearms within the state are inadequate to protect the residents of the City of Fort Thomas and the population of the state at large.



NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the City Council of the City of Fort Thomas fully supports the filing and passage of legislation in the Kentucky General Assembly requiring a three-day waiting period for the purchase of any firearm purchased within the Commonwealth of Kentucky.



BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the City of Fort Thomas strongly encourages the Kentucky General Assembly to enact this legislation during its upcoming 2014 Regular Session.



Read, Passed and Adopted this 7th day of October, 2013.



Members voting in favor: Jay Fossett, Ken Bowman, and Lisa Kelly.



Members voting against: Eric Haas and Tom Lampe



Members abstaining: Roger Peterman





APPROVED:





________________________________

ATTEST: Mary H. Brown, Mayor





______________________________

Melissa K. Kelly, City Clerk

 

[AABEN]

What will stop him from using a ball bat? Knife car fire? If he wants to kill he will do it.

 

[DT Guy]

Demand factual evidence that this would reduce crime; reject anecdotal or conjectural reasoning and demand science, applied to modern criminology, to demonstrate this would be of benefit, and this will evaporate.

If only we held all laws to this standard, we'd live in a different country.


Larry

 

[USAF_Vet]

It bothers me that there is an assumption that anyone who wishes to purchase a gun is going through some emotional distress that three days of cooling off will solve.

The concept that someone wants to buy a gun for something other than nefarious purposes is foreign to these people.

 

[ilbob]

The NRA can support national LTC reciprocity legislation too. That won't pass either.

 

[Midwest]

It is my hope that by bringing this to light. That this will be a wake up call, not just for us here in Kentucky. But a wake call for others who live in pro-gun states, that we should never take our gun rights for granted.

 

[Prince Yamato]

The thing that disturbs me the most is that all these politicians are missing the fact that someone has homicidal intent. If you really want to kill someone, you'll wait 3 days, buy the gun, and kill them 3 days later than you otherwise would have. Or you'll just stab them.

It still amazes me that people think that by removing a gun from the situation, they remove the problem- NO! You still have a homicidal person out there.

 

[oneounceload]

So the guy buys a gun, goes home and shoots his wife. Using the same.conjecture, could it not be assumed that the guy can buy a gun, wait three days, then go home and shoot his wife? Or could
It not be assumed that the guy buys and gun, has to wait three days, decides to swing by Walmart and buy a baseball bat/ butcher knife/ spool of rope only to go home and bludgeon/ stab/ strangled his wife?

Where it supposedly comes from is the typical fight on a Saturday night when folks have been drinking, the thought process (although flawed) is that in the heat of the moment, someone who is mad goes out and buys a gun and kills their spouse/ex/gf, whomever. Of course, if they are THAT outraged, they won't waste time going to the gun store, but they will use what is at hand - knife, bat, fist, rope, etc. - so yes, the councilman's logic is misplaced

 

[cl4de6]

Speaking as a resident from NJ... seriously guys. You need to stomp this bill into the dust or you will end up like me.

I changed addresses in my town. I went from the east side of town to the west side of town and had to reapply for my firearms ID card and pistol permits. That's right in order to even look at a gun in New Jersey, you need an ID card.

My new ID card took 51 days to process. Even though there is a New Jersey law that states the process cannot take longer than 30 days... who do I go to so I can complain, the police?

If you want to live like me, keep your "it can't happen here" attitude. Seriously. Call your representatives and stop the guy who proposed this law into the dirt in the next election.