Cowboy Action Shooting

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I've been interested in this for some time. I was watching a show on it the other night, and it got me wondering...what caliber do they mostly shoot in their pistols? There doesn't seem to be much recoil at all, especially with how fast they are shooting.
 
It's a gamesmanship game now.

It has deteriorated to the point they are shooting very light load .38 Specials and such now.

I pity the Cowboy or Outlaw that rode the range with the wimpy loads those guys use now.

Most of them barely get the bullets out of the barrel, and are as far removed from the real cowboy loads of yesterday as a BB gun.

rcmodel
 
Plenty would argue the point but it's never a good sign when the likes of John Taffin are predicting the demise of CAS for the reasons RC noted: basically that "BOOM! CLANG!" had turned into "poof tink".

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_7_54/ai_n25469353

Everything I have that resembles anything made in 1873 is chambered in .45 Colt but that's not what you'll run if you want to win. It does make me wonder what STI was thinking when they decided to make their "race gun" a .45 Colt but that's just another mystery of life from where I sit.

There's still plenty of fun to be had if your priorities don't run in the "poof tink" direction. Personally, I don't do anything other than spectate but the gear is great fun.
 
Thanks for the link, Hawk, great article. Yeah, those light loads don't seem to be in the "spirit of the West" or the "cowboy code". I think Wyatt Earp would roll over in his grave. It does look fun, though. I'll see what way some of my local clubs shoot...Boom, Clank, or pop, ping
 
After seeing CAS on TV a few times I went to a Match?Shoot? . The outfits were a hoot. The ladies especially had some outfits worthy of a movie set. I saw no poofy loads that morning (Colorado..?). The one exception was a slight young woman, maybe 19 or 20 using .32 H&R magnums. She was probably the best shot of the ladies. But I defer to those knowing more about this than I.

I think the thing I couldn't get past was, they had to address each other by their SASS monicker. Sounded silly...<shrug>
 
Yes, there is a good sized segment of shooters who shoot 38's and some 32's. There's still quite a few shooting larger calibers also. I shoot 44 special/russian revolvers with a 200gr bullet and a case of blackpowder, no filler, duelist style (one-handed). Rifle is 44-40, same bullet and case full of bp. Many are shooting loads with little to moderate recoil, but good shooters are also good at controlling recoil. A lot of people get a kick out of the aliases that we use because during the week they are Joe Shmo at the office and on the weekend they are shooting cowboy guns and away from work. I don't even know the real names of most of the people I've shot with.
I also think it's cool that we are shooting revolvers, rifles and shotguns. A lot of people are surprised when they talk to a lady cowboy shooter and learn that they are shooting all the different guns, not just one or the other, they can shoot them all.
As far as clothes, all you need, mimimum is a pair of work boot, jeans, long sleeved work shirt and a cowboy hat and you can shoot. And of course a lot of people go all out with chaps, vests, wild rags, fancy leather, you name it. It's not for everyone, but I love it. Smokin Gator
 
I think it would be right up my alley, except the people who get way dressed up and the aliases. I would feel silly doing that, but maybe going to one would loosen me up.
 
I guess some can take it pretty far (with their dress), but I guess that's also what makes it fun. It looks like total escapism. How many of us grew up playing cowboys? And here's a way to do it with real guns! The only thing that makes me pause is the initial lay out for 3 different guns (pistol, Long gun, and shotgun), may be hard to fly by the wife.
 
Using non-period authentic calibers in sub-target level loads kinda turns me off about SASS. That's one reason I like these guys:

http://www.cowboymountedshooting.com/

Single action only, .45 Long Colt only. Black powder only.

Now it does suck that you only shoot blanks, but safety kinda dictates it!

There is a group that practices each Sunday an hour or less from here; I've thought of goin' out sometime this summer and check it out.
 
I'm been shooting cowboy matches for a long time. Fortunately, cowboy shooting is a big tent and there's room for everybody. I will grant that if you want to be national champion in any given category, you will be handicapped shooting a heavy load in a .45. Most of the top shooters shoot .38 spl. with a 125 gr bullet at something like 650 fps and that is a wimp load for sure.

But most of us know we will never be champions and we shoot what we enjoy shooting. Unlike most I prefer to shoot black powder with as much powder as I can get into the case. And I shoot with one hand because that is how it was done way back when. I have a blast. And I shoot BP in my rifle and shotgun. I come home smiling. But each shooter can pretty much do it his own way and find that he has plenty of company.

As far as the cowboy alias goes, I too thought it was silly when I started. Then the wisdom of the concept began to dawn on me. When you are at a match you are just another cowboy, no better and no worse than the next guy. If in your other life you are Mortimer J. Vanderbilt, billionaire industrialist, the rest of us won't know or care. You may shoot with Joe Blistept, garbage collector, and you are equals. Nobody asks what you do in the real world, nobody cares. I know literally hundreds and hundreds of cowboy shooters across the country. I don't know the real names of more than 25 or 30. And, after awhile, you sort of truly become your alias. In most cases "he" becomes an improved version of yourself however virtuous you may be. I know that sounds weird but it is true.

For example, I know of no other shooting sport where everybody feels comfortable leaving his or her guns unsecured and unwatched at one end of the range and go off to lunch or to check out vendors at the other end of the range. And I've never heard of a gun being stolen, anywhere.

I'm an old man and over the years I have competed in virtually every shooting game. I've enjoyed them all. But in no other game is there the camaraderie that there is in cowboy shooting. The socializing becomes just as important as the shooting, more so in many cases.

For the vast majority of participants cowboy shooting is more about having fun than it is about winning the match. Yet if you are driven to compete, there is all the competition you can handle. There are some fantastic shooters under the tent.

The only down side to the cowboy game is that it does require two SA revolvers, a rifle and a shotgun of an approved type. The upside is that I as well as half the shooters in any club in the country, have loaner guns that we are happy for other people to use until they can afford to get all of their guns together. I've let people use revolvers for as long as a year. Same with shotguns. But that's why I keep the guns.

Don't take John Taffin's word for it, and don't take my word either. Go out to a match. Watch and talk to some of the participants, then make your mind up. I've got an idea that if you try it, you will like it.
 
IMO CAS should have went the way of other competitions and put in placed a minimum power requirement. That would have prevented a great old sport from becoming just another speed sport. If you had to "make power" in CAS you would see a lot more .45's being shot than wimpy load .38 Specials I'm sure...
 
I love 45 Colt, but 38 Special is cheaper and easier to shoot.

My CAS Guns are .357 Magnum/38 Special. Maybe in the future I'll move up to 45 Colt, but that will require three ned guns, and I can't afford it right now. Most people around here shoot 38 Special, except for a few "Traditionalist".

BikerRN
 
SASS recently added a power factor, it will start in 09...

me I never could bring myself to dress up... other wise I would have been doing it for a long time.
 
I started cowboy action shooting about 1984. It was a way for many of us to shoot our 19th century originals and copies in a practicle pistol or combat match. Even the End of Trail matches at Cota de Caza were that way. Our matches in Tucson you could run or walk, draw from a shoulder holster or cross draw , use cover, we even had a Hogans Alley. After a Colt Walker or a 1876 Winchester got done and the smoke cleared we could see which targets needed their stands set back up. Those were the days!
 
Cowboy Action Shooting :"I've been interested in this for some time. I was watching a show on it the other night, and it got me wondering...what caliber do they mostly shoot in their pistols? There doesn't seem to be much recoil at all, especially with how fast they are shooting."

Mojohand,
To answer your question.
Regardless of caliber size the bullets are going about 500fps to 600fps. There are those that load realistic real world ammo but they are not in the top competition. 38 are most popular, as are loaded down 357 cases. There are all the calibers and even a new case designed by a fellow that goes by Adirondac Jack which is a 45 Colt case designed to take less powder then it's volumois parent. If the gun is coming up in recoil or changing your grip you cannot keep the bullets on the steel and function the firearm real fast. It is still a fun sport you should try.
There's another that has developed a few years ago called WESTERN 3 GUN. I haven't tried it because it's not around here, but I read it's more action, moving, and real ammo velocities. Rifle, Shotgun and revolver.
 
SASS recently added a power factor, it will start in 09...

If that's the power factor that's in the 14th edition, I'm not sure it's intended as a power factor or simply a safety regulation to avoid projectiles stuck in the barrel.

The minimum in 14th is PF 60. A generic 38 special is 120.

There's also a minimum of 400fps so someone shooting a 200 grain at 400 fps will get PF 80 due to the velocity requirement.

If it's getting bumped up in '09 I'd applaud the effort. I'll admit to not knowing at what point a powder puff load gets dangerous but I'd probably be stopping to check for squibs every time a sub-PF60 round meandered downrange at a brisk walking pace.
 
Too bad...

That the "silliness" of alias and clothes would keep someone away from a fun shooting sport. You don't have to dress like Roy Rogers to play the game. Lots of shooters, new and old, wear Levis, a work shirt, a cheap hat, and work boots, expecially at local matches. I like the "big tent" comment. If you want to spend hundreds on a costume and shoot .32's, that's fine. If you want to buy some old clothes at Goodwill, shoot full house .45's, you can. If you go to have a good time and meet good people, you won't be disapointed. If you want to invest $1000's in race guns and play to win, you will have all the competition you can handle. I've been playing since 1996, shoot stout loads in .45 Vaqueros and a 1866 Winchester replica. Usually place in the middle of the pack scorewise, but it's great fun.
 
I've been to watch one shoot. The local people in SASS have a bi-weekly practice. I have been to 3 practices and really enjoyed it. Most of the others were shooting 38s. I am using 45 w/8grs Unique. I could care less for a win as long as I am havuing a good time and doing it with others who enjoy the era/period guns. And I like to see the fancy get-ups some people wear. Just outta my price range at the moment. So, Goodwill has provided me with most my clothes for my outfit. My 1st offical match won't be for 3 weeks. Lookin forward to it. have fun-be safe, Bob
 
CAS is the big tent with room for all sorts. You can be a traditionalist and shoot full power loads or you can load powderpuffs for the speed. But if you don't want to make some effort to dress the part and feel silly going by an alias, then CAS ain't for you.

The shoots are NOT what they used to be. One of our members looked at an old video made back when the turnout was less than half what it is now and said "We could not put on a shoot like that any more."

Main reason I am not active CAS any more is that standing around in boots and needing so much stuff that a cart is needed began to outweigh the shooting.
 
While it may be true in some places that folks who aren't willing or able to dump a couple of grand into absolutely "authentic" costumes and/or accoutrements are wlecome, that hasn't been my experience at either of the two matches I tried to enter.

I wasn't allowed to compete because my jeans, button-up Western-cut shirt , Resistol hat and Wellington boots weren't "appropriate attire". I got the distinct impression that, to paraphrase Billy Crystal's "Fernando" character, "It's more important to look mahvelous than to shoot mahvelous, Dahling."

Which brings us to the points John Taffin mentioned in his eulogy which have been cited here already.

Powder puff loads in .38 Spl. and .32 S&W Long/H&R Mag and big targets at very close ranges don't seem very "authentic" to me. YMMV. Maybe they need to change the game's name to the Cowboy Costume Posing and Pretending Show.

I had hoped to participate in what Mr. Taffin and other writers had lauded as a real test of marksmanship using truly "authentic' weapons and ammo in novel scenarios. What I found was a bunch of folks more concerned with looking like extras in an Old West movie than they were in being challenged to match the skills required in the genuine article's day.

If you're looking for a place to play "Let's Pretend", by all means go for it. If you're looking for a shooting match that's a realistic and 'authentic" test of your gun handling skills and marksmanship you'll be in the wrong place.
 
I have shot CAS fo rhte last ten years and lately have been finding other reasons not to go. I used to place in the top three in my category on a regular basis, but not anymore. I can't afford all the new additions, and I especially found it irritating to go to a match for six hours and actually shoot for 5 minutes total. When I began to wonder how much shooting I could do with six hours at a range, then CAS began to lose. I'm trying IDPA in a couple of months, maybe that will be my game for a while.

Still like my Stetson, though, and my wife likes it when I wear my boots.:D
 
IDPA is almost as bad when it comes to the matches. 1 hr wait between stages.And,at the club I shot at, if you are shooting the stock division you'll be shooting by yourself!!! Of course,this was 8 yrs ago.Things could have improved,I guess.:)
 
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Well I have been a member for four or five years. It is a fun group with a lot of sides to it. Some folks belong and never fire a shot. Others feel that winning is all. So I guess you get what you put into it. Lots of nice folks. Lots of fun things to do. But there is a price tag. It is not a game for poor folks. Shooting and membership fees will take a bit. But then again it just depends on how much you want to spend on shooting. I make about three matchs a year and reload around four hundred shells for pistol and rifle. I shoot .44 Special in my rifle and .45 Cold in my pistols. I have a short 12 ga. SXS too. I buy my shotgun shells but I have a MEC press that I can press into service when ever I want.
Hope that helps
 
I especially found it irritating to go to a match for six hours and actually shoot for 5 minutes total. When I began to wonder how much shooting I could do with six hours at a range, then CAS began to lose.

Hate to admit it but that is about where I'm at now too, especially since buying a "fix -er up" type house so if I'm going to pull a full weekend day away from working on "El Rancho Zespectre" I'd better be having one heck of a fun time!
 
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