Cracked forcing cone woes

[CharliesHammer]

Bummer, I have been lucky. I probably put 3-4 K through my 30 year old GP 100 this year alone. More than a few have been burners. I will watch my forcing cones.

 

[sequins]

I'm sure Ruger will fix it but that's very premature. So much for lasting forever like a tank for future generations...

 

[Trashyshoots]

345$ for a new barrel. Thanks ruger... another reason to stick with contenders and 1911s.... what a bummer.

 

[CharliesHammer]

Sounds like a raw deal to me. Did they give an excuse for not covering it? I can't blame you for not buying another. Truly sucks.

 

[Trashyshoots]

She said it was basically at the discretion of the smith. I feel like I have been blacklisted by ruger since I've had so many issues with their guns. It is what it is. Ill never buy another ruger though. The only one I own that hasnt gone back is a single 6 ive shot probably 500,000 rounds through. Go figure.

 

[MidRoad]

That's really unfortunate. Did you try to argue it?

On a side note, based on your "luck" and claimed round counts ,maybe you should pickup the new python and do a feed back/round count thread on the forum to see how well it holds up.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Wow. Didn’t expect that from Ruger. Bummer

 

[LUCKYDAWG13]

When I sent my SBH in i did have to argue with the lady on the phone had to talk to the gun Smith they did fix put a new barrel on for free and shipped back in about 10 days also re bulued it

 

[MidRoad]

When I sent my SBH in i did have to argue with the lady on the phone had to talk to the gun Smith they did fix put a new barrel on for free and shipped back in about 10 days also re bulued it

Yea if OP hasn't paid yet, he should give it a shot and try to talk to the Smith.

I'm a tech for Deere, and we see lots of crazy crap and you say to yourself how in the hell did that happen, no way that's going to be warranty. Call the customer with the repair quote , they explain what happened,it can completely change the perspective and help push things through warranty. Always helps to talk to the fella doing the work.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

At a minimum, I would highlight that embarrassingly bad chattering on the cone's machining and the fact that the frame allowed so much expansion.

Looks like a pooh-show from my manufacturer's POV and I'd be trying to get that one out of circulation.

Asking half the MSRP and more than half real-world retail is just another thing they should be embarrassed about.

I would absolutely seek further accommodation from someone higher up.

Todd.

 

[MidRoad]

At a minimum, I would highlight that embarrassingly bad chattering on the cone's machining and the fact that the frame allowed so much expansion.

Looks like a pooh-show from my manufacturer's POV and I'd be trying to get that one out of circulation.

Asking half the MSRP and more than half real-world retail is just another thing they should be embarrassed about.

I would absolutely seek further accommodation from someone higher up.

Todd.

If that Blackhawk is blued that explains the cost, I wouldn't be surprised if it was quoted what it is because they would reblue the whole thing to make it match after they replace the barrel.

Not that charging him is the right thing to do by any means. Agree with seeking help from higher up the food chain.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

If that Blackhawk is blued that explains the cost, I wouldn't be surprised if it was quoted what it is because they would reblue the whole thing to make it match after they replace the barrel.

Not that charging him is the right thing to do by any means. Agree with seeking help from higher up the food chain.

Good point. That can explain the number for sure. Doesn't excuse it but does potentially explain it.

Todd.

 

[Trashyshoots]

That's really unfortunate. Did you try to argue it?

On a side note, based on your "luck" and claimed round counts ,maybe you should pickup the new python and do a feed back/round count thread on the forum to see how well it holds up.

Thats a hard no from me, lol. Ive got 2 pistols I want to grab before the new year. 1 will be a 45 1911 for bullseye shooting and another 1911 for a build I have been thinking about for years. As soon as that blackhawk comes home its going on armslist with the remaining 44s I have, with a 64 colt 38 ive been using for bullseye as well. Im washing my hands of centerfire revolvers and ruger all together after my last 5 or so years dealing with them with all my other issues I've had.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Their answer is why I won't send my GP100 in for the forcing cone face being all burned up.
That and this reason,

I was fighting with my 9mm Shield and got frustrated thinking my shooting days were winding down, until I pulled out my 4" Ruger GP100 and put 9 shots out of 12 through the large hole in the target.

The 9mm vertical string on the left is my 9mm Shield. I cannot make that gun shoot any better than that. Very frustrating!
My GP100 has a tuned action and I paid good money for, but the face of the forcing cone is all burned up. If I send it in, one of two things will happen.
1. They will put the action back to stock. That will suck MAJOR!
2. They will charge me a lot to rebarrel this gun and it won't shoot like this when I get it back.
That load I shoot out of this gun is middle of the road .357 and doesn't qualify as magnum in any definition I know of.

But, the face of the forcing cone is still cooked and it will start taking it's toll later on. It's coming big time.

The trigger on my Shield is horrendous, the first two shots from my GP were getting over the last six shots from my Shield. (Very old model).
The rest were all Ruger! That gun shoots good and until it starts to fail in accuracy I won't change anything on it. When it does fail, I will scrap it and go shopping for another brand.

Then take my new one to my smith and have it worked over like he did this one.

OP, I'm sorry for what your going through with your revolver. Knowing how even a cheap Ruger ($600.00) CAN shoot, even if it was sent out for needed help at my expense, you shouldn't have to go through this from a new gun. Especially since you documented the problem so well with the pictures.

This should have been delt with the first time around with Ruger.
I don't consider yours a cheap Ruger like a GP100 is.

Something has changed with them, my old Rugers are like my old Smiths, I'm proud to show them off.

My two new one's? , I don't want anyone opening them and looking at the face of the barrel.

Good luck.

 

[LaneP]

Sorry to hear about their response. How many rounds would you say went down range before it cracked?

 

[Trashyshoots]

Sorry to hear about their response. How many rounds would you say went down range before it cracked?

3k at most. I bought the gun new 12ish years ago, but didnt shoot it much.

 

[Trashyshoots]

Update, the super blackhawk came back while I was in salt lake for work. Finally unboxed it today, and the nice original plastic case I sent it in was replaced with a cardboard box. Im so hecking done with those clowns. Not sure if I should call and inquire, or just deal with it. I swear that company has blacklisted me. I will never ever buy or reccomend another ruger.

 

[Targa]

I would have to call and inquire about it, they should not have kept that box. How does the gun look?

 

[TTv2]

Is that gawd-awfull tool chatter *normal* for a Ruger forcing cone?

So then, makes me wonder - at least about that pistol - as to fit, finish and inspection.

In any case, now, without particular fitting, I would suspect the frame tolerances, dimensions and concentricity.

Todd.

No, the chatter on that second picture is pretty bad, but that's not normal. That looks like somebody was using a multi-flute counter sink to enlarge a cone when that should be done in the lathe with a boring bar.

Just because one barrel was bad does not mean the rest of the gun is bad, every part is made in a cell by different people, not one person. What seems to happen tho is when sent back the repair people replace almost everything except the frame. I wouldn't be surprised if along with a new barrel that a new cylinder is also installed. Doesn't meant the old one was bad, it just makes the guy doing the work feel better knowing that the barrel and cylinder will work together.

Every new revolver I look at nowadays I am concerned about the geometric dimensions, like how square the barrel threads in the frame were when machined, how square and parallel the cylinder/chambers are in relation to the barrel, the entire crane for DA revolvers, the location of the cylinder pin for SA's... there's a lot that can go wrong with a revolver in production that can turn it into a nightmare quick.

With semi auto's there's none of these problems and whatever issues a semi auto has it's usually related to extraction, ejection, and feeding. The accuracy is better/more consistent than a revolver due to their only being one chamber that is near perfectly concentric with the bore and no cylinder gap.

I love revolvers, but as time goes on the quality of them keeps declining and it's driven me more to semi-autos for anything larger than a snub. While I have some light 5 shot Charter .357's, I look at larger 7 shot .357's and I ask myself "why bother?" The likelihood is high that they'll have issues out of box and when I could get a 10mm Glock that has more power and double the capacity for less weight pretty much is the death knell of the large frame revolver in the 21st Century.

 

[TTv2]

Update, the super blackhawk came back while I was in salt lake for work. Finally unboxed it today, and the nice original plastic case I sent it in was replaced with a cardboard box. Im so hecking done with those clowns. Not sure if I should call and inquire, or just deal with it. I swear that company has blacklisted me. I will never ever buy or reccomend another ruger.

I would send a letter to the CEO or some other exec and tell them what you think and that you'll never purchase another revolver from them. There's no excuse for Ruger to not fix a gun that has only had factory ammo shot in it. Handloads I can understand because people often load them too hot, but that's not the case here.

As much as I dislike how bungled Charter has handled the Professional, they at least have a lifetime warranty, Taurus too. Seeing how Ruger has treated you, that lack of a guaranteed lifetime warranty is looking very thin at Ruger and yes, I suspect they have a file on everyone tracking how many times an individual has sent guns back for work, especially when there is no warranty and it's all done in good faith.

 

[Electricmo]

I am not going to bash Ruger, however I have been told that Ruger builds a good gun but they don't ever sell their guns with the assumption that the customer will ever put thousands of rounds through their guns. They bank on the fact most guns will never see more than a few hundred rounds through it in its lifetime. They will fix the rest if they need to. I would guess most companies sell their products thinking this way also.

 

[ThomasT]

Update, the super blackhawk came back while I was in salt lake for work. Finally unboxed it today, and the nice original plastic case I sent it in was replaced with a cardboard box. Im so hecking done with those clowns. Not sure if I should call and inquire, or just deal with it. I swear that company has blacklisted me. I will never ever buy or reccomend another ruger.

I wouldn't be happy about not getting my plastic box returned to me and having it replaced with a cardboard box. I would have called as soon as I could and had a talk with someone.

 

[Trashyshoots]

I'm going to call monday morning. I was too frustrated today.

It legitimately pains me to never want another revolver, I've always been known at the range as the revolver guy that hammers steel rifle targets at rifle distances. I have legitimately been called a liar talking about my distance shooting abilities until people see it first hand.

Whatever, time to replace revolvers with 1911s.

 

[Targa]

Have you considered BFR’s?

 

[Trashyshoots]

Have you considered BFR’s?

Yes, had a 4570 one, but a reconstructed elbow after a motorcycle accident took the fun out of it. My recoil limits are about a 45 acp or 38 out of a full size revolver.