Criminals and straw purchases

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I think this thread started with a misinterpretation of the data. The OP started off stating that "most criminals get their guns from straw purchases." This is not true.

The statistics quoted by member boom boom does not state that the "quarter" of state prisoners or "fifth" of federal prisons obtained their firearms through straw purchasers, simply that they "obtained" the firearm they possessed [during their crime] from someone in a "non-retail setting" i.e., friend or family member. My experience, having actually interviewed any number of felons regarding how they procured their firearm, is that they relate they were "given" the gun by a friend or family member (typical of the gang-related crimes) -- or more often -- they stole the gun from family (typically parents or relatives, especially by those involved in drug-related crimes).

While there's no doubt that straw purchases are happening a lot, all over, let's not presume this is the average criminal's usual source for his/her firearm, or make the mistake in claiming that most criminals obtain their guns through straw purchases.

I would not claim that most do so but the real fact is we do not know exactly how much to attribute to straw purchasing (which includes those actually trafficking them), stolen firearms, etc. When you are dealing with surveys on illegal activities, without outside verification of responses, you get a probability range such as betting odds rather than hard numbers. Thus, you can go with hard numbers such as federal prosecutions for firearms trafficking.

You have to add that percentage of about 20-25 percent to that of the underground market which is about 43 percent to that from family and friends. The Pittsburg study cited above indicates that only about 58 percent of claimed stolen firearms were reported to the police which indicates that at least some percentage of the respondents replying to the survey probably illegally transferred firearms to a prohibited person. http://www.socialmedicine.info/index.php/socialmedicine/article/download/852/1649

Useful summary: "Given that 79% of perpetrators are connected to firearms for which they are not the legal
owner, it is highly likely that a significant amount of theft or trafficking is the source of perpetrators’ firearms."

My suspicion is that the underground market varies depending on rural versus urban, high gun control requirements versus lower ones by state, the relative presence of gangs and their composition, and so forth.

Here is one example from LA, "Many "crime guns" move quickly from legal sale into criminal use. Research has shown that one of every five guns that is used in a crime in Los Angeles moves very quickly from its initial, legal sale into criminal use." Source: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Crime Gun Trace Reports (2000): National Report, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of the Treasury, 2002.

A later, more in depth RAND study of firearm trace software in LA, indicates this,

"When we restrict the geographic scope further and include only those instances in which the last legal purchaser lived within a 4.5-mile radius of the target area, we find that more than one-third (35 percent) of all purchasers resided within this area. Though we are unable to determine how the firearm came into the possession of the illegal possessor (e.g., stolen, nonreported transaction, straw purchase), this clearly demonstrates that much of the illegal firearm market is “local.” The locality of the market applies both to the nearness of the FFL that last legally sold the firearm to the last-known legal purchaser (who did not possess the firearm at time of the recovery).

These analyses indicate that, in a one-year period, 35 percent of the 989 guns recovered (that were purchased in that year) were not in the hands of the original purchaser—yet the purchaser lived within the 77th Street area. We know little about how guns are transformed from legally purchased firearms to crime guns. Theft, straw purchasing, gifts, and undocumented sales are all possible. The interagency working group hypothesized that these methods of entry into the illegal firearm market were prime candidates for disruption, because they begin with a legal purchaser. Since federal law prohibits felons and other potentially dangerous individuals from purchasing firearms, the original purchaser must have only a minor or no criminal record and, therefore, can plausibly be deterred from transferring the legally purchased firearm to another." https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/241135.pdf

A common remedy in social science, when you are dealing with large discrepancies of estimates of likelihood in your variable, such as straw purchasing, you conduct a meta analysis to establish some sort of range for the variable. What we know is that straw purchasing is greater than zero percent if nothing else because of a few prosecutions. A more reasonable assertion is to investigate firearms that have a quick turnaround between the original legal sale and the firearm showing up in illegal activity. This shortens the timespan for theft likelihood versus a thirty year old weapon which are often difficult, if not impossible to trace due to ownership changes.

The LA studies listed above indicated that between 20-35 percent of LA firearms recovered that were involved in crimes demonstrate this sort of short term turnaround for the study area which was the South Central section of LA. Whether this is generalizable to other places is unknown.
 
The LA studies listed above indicated that between 20-35 percent of LA firearms recovered that were involved in crimes demonstrate this sort of short term turnaround for the study area which was the South Central section of LA. Whether this is generalizable to other places is unknown.
One suspects, though as noted, impossible to clearly establish, that the LA figures are not generalizable to other places. Although the Florida/Virginia pipeline to NYC and Indiana to Chicago pipeline are the ones most touted by the anti-gun factions, I'd posit that the dynamics probably vary greatly by region, culture, crime rates and relative retail availability of firearms. Maybe in rural areas just north of the Mexican border, there's guns being bought to funnel down to cartels (indeed, one of my local gun shops in SoCal was shut down some years back for that very reason), but aside from certain major metro areas with stricter gun laws, I'd say straw purchases with the intent to provide the guns to prohibited persons isn't as much of a problem nationwide as it's made out to be.
 
One suspects, though as noted, impossible to clearly establish, that the LA figures are not generalizable to other places. Although the Florida/Virginia pipeline to NYC and Indiana to Chicago pipeline are the ones most touted by the anti-gun factions, I'd posit that the dynamics probably vary greatly by region, culture, crime rates and relative retail availability of firearms. Maybe in rural areas just north of the Mexican border, there's guns being bought to funnel down to cartels (indeed, one of my local gun shops in SoCal was shut down some years back for that very reason), but aside from certain major metro areas with stricter gun laws, I'd say straw purchases with the intent to provide the guns to prohibited persons isn't as much of a problem nationwide as it's made out to be.

There is some indications but those were not the primary purpose of the study that lends some support to a similar situation in Chicago where a large percentage of the firearms did not come from out of state but rather from the suburbs ringing Chicago which would make sense. They did not include the year turnaround though. A prior University of Chicago study did some interviews with actual traffickers including one guy that had brokered about 50-60 gun deals and how he did it. The social network research indicated that about 3 degrees of separation to getting a firearm in Chicago and similar results from an earlier study in Boston.
 
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