DontBurnMyFlag
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just send the cyber bully a digital image of a glock pointed at them
jk, i know thats not a good idea for us gun guys
jk, i know thats not a good idea for us gun guys
Cyber Bullies or, The younger generation more WIMPY than I thought
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svtruth
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Tolerance
One thing missing from this story is why do the schools tolerate it. I would say one strikle (bullying incident) and you get a suspension. State this in a letter to all parents and students at the beginning of the year.
One thing missing from this story is why do the schools tolerate it. I would say one strikle (bullying incident) and you get a suspension. State this in a letter to all parents and students at the beginning of the year.
Nehemiah Scudder
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Paleese,
Nobody wants to hear that their kid's a punk.
Nobody wants to hear that their kid's a punk.
Byron Quick
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40 years ago I saw a sixth grade bully give a kid that was about 50 lbs. lighter multiple fractures in about five seconds.
2 years later I was in a fight when a classmate came out of the circle of onlookers and struck me in the head from behind. Gave me a concussion. Then he went after my opponent. Guess he was offended by our fighting.
There was a good many bullies in my school. Trouble was that they had a bully hierarchy. When you beat one up and gained status thereby; another would step up to see if he could get 'top gun' rank. I didn't stop it until the 12 th grade when my opponent had to be given rescue breathing and I tried to attack again after he started breathing on his own. They left me alone when they realized that I wasn't fighting for black eyes and blood noses anymore. The four guys that I chased with an entrenchment tool might have something to do with it, too.
Oh, there was one bully that I never had any trouble with as he was younger. Apparently he was a holy terror and beat some people badly. Well, nowadays he's an heating and air technician. More than once he's been at someone's home working on their air condititioner. Then he'd finish up and tell the home owner,"I'm done now, would you sign the invoice, please?" And then find himself looking down the muzzle of a gun with a guy saying,"You don't remember me, do you?" Last time I saw him he was sitting in a corner looking around nervously, I've heard of this happening to him four or five times so I figure it's happened more than I've heard.
DelayedReaction
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I had a pretty rough time with a thug in middle school. I remember going to the administration for help after a particulalry humiliating encounter, and also remember not one of them helping me at all.
I learned that day that the only person who's going to ensure my safety is myself, and I haven't forgotten that yet.
I learned that day that the only person who's going to ensure my safety is myself, and I haven't forgotten that yet.
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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The horror, the sheer horror of it. Why haven't our politicians come up with a Federal program to address this issue?
HankB
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I was bullied a bit in grammar school, too . . . in those days, I was one of the "band kids" and played trumpet. (not very well, BTW.) The way I got picked on was kids would kick my trumpet case over if I set it down in the playground. One day, I had enough, and instead of chasing the trumpet case like a dork, I lit into the kid who kicked it instead. Broke his glasses, bloodied his lip, blackened his eye. He reported me to the office, and we had to tell our stories to a teacher . . . and to show how trivial his teasing was, the other kid kicked the teacher's briefcase!
Teacher's jaw dropped, and he told the kid that if his glasses weren't ALREADY broken, he'd break them himself!
Epilog: The kid's mother complained, and I was told to write her an apology for breaking the kid's glasses. I did - explained that all I wanted to break was the kid's FACE, not his glasses (I wore glasses, too) and that if SHE was a good mother, SHE wouldn't be raising a future hoodlum, so it was ultimately HER fault.
Never heard anything more about this. And I didn't get picked on any more, either.
Teacher's jaw dropped, and he told the kid that if his glasses weren't ALREADY broken, he'd break them himself!
Epilog: The kid's mother complained, and I was told to write her an apology for breaking the kid's glasses. I did - explained that all I wanted to break was the kid's FACE, not his glasses (I wore glasses, too) and that if SHE was a good mother, SHE wouldn't be raising a future hoodlum, so it was ultimately HER fault.
Never heard anything more about this. And I didn't get picked on any more, either.
Sean Smith
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Schools have never been good at dealing with bullies terrorizing people. If they can't manage punks beating up other kids for fun, which is pretty obvious, how are they going to deal with something more modern? That's like wondering why somebody who can't pass driver's ed didn't win the Indy 500.
I did some contract work in some local schools over the past few years and can honeslty say it is worse than it was when I was in school (late 70's and early 80's). If I had to point my finger at anything, I would say poor parenting. Today, if some junior sociopath acts out, his/her parents either ignore it or hire an attorney. If my parents had gotten a call from my school, I would have been better off running away instead of going home that day.
Crosshair
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I was bullied when I was younger. I was above agerage for my age and I tended to be a loner. So I was there for easy picking. However I have a secret, when I get really peved at someone I have " 
Hulk Syndrome " Back in the day's when you where allowed to fight, I finaly snaped. The sight of me (3rd grader) kicking the crap out a 6th grader sent the message that I could only be pushed so far. After that the bullies went onto easier targets and the worst I got from then on was some teasing. Then I busted a classmates nose in 8th grade as a result of teasing (I wasn't aiming for his nose, just trying to bop him upside the head, he leaned back, I got his nose.) He kind of diserved it and we both got 3 day suspension and that was the end of it.
It's sad when this is the playground of the future.
Hulk Syndrome " Back in the day's when you where allowed to fight, I finaly snaped. The sight of me (3rd grader) kicking the crap out a 6th grader sent the message that I could only be pushed so far. After that the bullies went onto easier targets and the worst I got from then on was some teasing. Then I busted a classmates nose in 8th grade as a result of teasing (I wasn't aiming for his nose, just trying to bop him upside the head, he leaned back, I got his nose.) He kind of diserved it and we both got 3 day suspension and that was the end of it.It's sad when this is the playground of the future.
UnknownSailor
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When schools started laying on blanket punishments for fights, without bothering to find out the background and who started it, well, that was a dark day indeed for the perpetually picked on. Now there is no recourse, for the most part, other than to deal with it until finally set free of the mandatory 12 year youth penal colonies that many schools have become.
The tormented used to be able to snap and beat the tar out of one of their tormenters, and the school teachers would say, "Good! You deserved that!".
Now, in fear of the "my child is an angel, no matter what sick ???? he does at school" parent's tripwire lawsuit tendicies, schools just suspend both parties, and call it a day.
The tormented used to be able to snap and beat the tar out of one of their tormenters, and the school teachers would say, "Good! You deserved that!".
Now, in fear of the "my child is an angel, no matter what sick ???? he does at school" parent's tripwire lawsuit tendicies, schools just suspend both parties, and call it a day.
Joejojoba111
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It might almost be worth it if the education was worthwhile, but the rate of learning is such that kids have to mentally slow themselves down to keep pace; and the institutionalized bureaucratic style is such that the mentality limits itself at an early age. Then throw in pavlovian training that non-resistance is the only option, and you have a recipe for some severely messed up kids to graduate.
It's always been a mystery to me why kids (after the age of twelve anyway) are not held to the same laws and standards as adults. You assault, threaten, or beat someone...you get to talk to a judge, and possibly lose your right to interact with the public period.
I have a feeling that article was cleaned up for public consumption. Think of the nastiest meanest cretin you knew in school- ramp their bad behavior and demeanor up about ten notches, and imagine them having your kid's phone number, IM name, email etc. Speaking as someone who grew up in the 70's, it's hard to relate to that....but that's what most kids have these days. The bullies (and that's a kind name for many of them) mess with kids at school, going to and from school, and than at home...or anywhere wireless goes. Even with my limited dealings (as an adult) with some of my psycho neighbor kids....I can't imagine facing those sociopathic freaks as a fourteen year old. I'd probably "go Columbine" on them as well.
Many of these kids are not the stereotypical big dumb bully....they are often very disturbed individuals who are capable of very serious crimes.
Kids may be a bit wimpier...but the bad ones are much crazier as well.
I have a feeling that article was cleaned up for public consumption. Think of the nastiest meanest cretin you knew in school- ramp their bad behavior and demeanor up about ten notches, and imagine them having your kid's phone number, IM name, email etc. Speaking as someone who grew up in the 70's, it's hard to relate to that....but that's what most kids have these days. The bullies (and that's a kind name for many of them) mess with kids at school, going to and from school, and than at home...or anywhere wireless goes. Even with my limited dealings (as an adult) with some of my psycho neighbor kids....I can't imagine facing those sociopathic freaks as a fourteen year old. I'd probably "go Columbine" on them as well.
Many of these kids are not the stereotypical big dumb bully....they are often very disturbed individuals who are capable of very serious crimes.
Kids may be a bit wimpier...but the bad ones are much crazier as well.
357wheelgunner
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I would not be so quick to blame poor parenting for everything, as it seems all of society is at blame for stuff like this. We have gotten to a place where kids are punished fore defending themselves, because of legal liabilities, because people are so likely to sue, becaues people want something for nothing, because we are now raised to believe that everyone should be rich and get everthing they want now, because most kids are given whatever they want without working for it, because we are too dependant on our parends/the government...Maybe we should blame ourselves for not all moving to one state and taking it over, voting the right people in and fixing things?
There are still some good parents out there whose kids mess up. One of my bullies threw a battery at my head on the school bus. It hurt like hell so I got off the bus at his house, beat him to a pulp in front of his mother, who watched. Then I walked 2 miles back to my house, where my mother was waiting for me. The bully's mother had called and....apologized on behalf of her son for what he did to me. After that the bully stopped picking on people and is now a productive person. Just needed to grow up a bit, with an "attitude adjustment".
There are still some good parents out there whose kids mess up. One of my bullies threw a battery at my head on the school bus. It hurt like hell so I got off the bus at his house, beat him to a pulp in front of his mother, who watched. Then I walked 2 miles back to my house, where my mother was waiting for me. The bully's mother had called and....apologized on behalf of her son for what he did to me. After that the bully stopped picking on people and is now a productive person. Just needed to grow up a bit, with an "attitude adjustment".
LiquidTension
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I never really got picked on in school. It's probably because my group of friends ranged the whole spectrum...from the "nerds" all the way up the social heirarchy to prom queen and varsity cheerleaders.
As for kids getting picked on because of their clothes...have parents never heard of TJ Maxx? Name brand clothing at bargain store prices That place is awesome. There and Old Navy account for a significant portion of my wardrobe.
I agree that blanket punishment for fighting (aka zero tolerance) is a ridiculous idea. It's just an excuse for administrators to make parents think they're doing more while they're actually doing less and being more harmful.
As for kids getting picked on because of their clothes...have parents never heard of TJ Maxx? Name brand clothing at bargain store prices
That place is awesome. There and Old Navy account for a significant portion of my wardrobe.I agree that blanket punishment for fighting (aka zero tolerance) is a ridiculous idea. It's just an excuse for administrators to make parents think they're doing more while they're actually doing less and being more harmful.
Jammer Six
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For the same reason we don't let children who are twelve vote, drive, fight or drink: they don't have the judgement, knowledge or experience to make good decisions.
They haven't even been through puberty yet.
They're not even close to making decisions, any decisions, on an adult level. Sometimes, they're not even capable of asking for help: witness Red Lake.
Hold twelve year old children to adult standards is the simple, easy way out, and is indicative of part of the problem: no one wants to go to the trouble of finding and solving the real problems, because they're much harder to locate and solve.
There will now be a wailing and knashing of teeth from the frustrated among us.
possenti
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I agree. While I don't believe in kids fighting at the drop of a hat over trivial things, fighting is a crucial "safety valve" for male aggression. This zero tolerance stuff is crap.
My middle school principal had the policy of asking kids who were fighting, "Well, who won?"
Of course, the *official* answer is, "No one wins when you fight."
Then he would say, "Well, do you guys want to go put on the gloves (in his desk) and finish it to find out?"
I had one fight in high school my junior year. The school bully chose me as his latest prey. The guy was a total nutcase. He would head-butt lockers and leave huge dents in them. The rumor was that he had a steel plate in his forehead. Knowing this, I decided that a couple of TaeKwonDo roundhouse kicks to the ribs would take care of things. Two cracked ribs and a broken nose later, they hauled him out of the student lounge and sent me to speak with the principal. He told me, "I understand what happened. You don't need to explain anything. I need to give you the mandatory 3 swats for fighting, though." I took my (soft) licks and went on my way, with a pat on the back from the principal as I left.
I disagree then. Every twelve year old in the world knows it's not OK to walk up and kick the snot out of someone just for the fun of it....or sexually attack them...or cyber stalk them, or whatever. That's a far cry from letting them vote, drive, join the Army, or buy a house. Not holding them to adult standards for crimes IS the reason they act the way they do. If they are defending themselves, then they should also have the same protections afforded to adults. Perhaps one day we can even get professional athletes to obey the laws of the land ...and maybe the kids might learn something valuable from them once again. Holding low standards yields predictable results.
CleverName
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I'm 18 right now. Ever since I was in kindergarten, it was explained in very clear terms to me that I would be kicked out of school if I was involved in a fight. If I left the bench if a teammate got into a fight, my season was over. Etc, etc. Fights lead to "We would like your son to be very open to the possibilities of other schools" calls and mandatory counseling. So I was smart, and didn't get into serious fights. Somehow nobody bothered bullying me, and I only wrestled/fough friends when we both knew we were just messing around.
Also, on the topic of cyber bullying - I've heard that girls tend to bully each other by spreading rumors. No physical scars, lots of emotional ones. Seems to be a new, high-tech way to do things. Technology is pervasive at this level, and who among us hasn't had at least a twinge of jealously when a grade-school buddy got the latest and greatest toy?
Oh yeah, we could never bring toys to class. Brought up too much strife.
Also, on the topic of cyber bullying - I've heard that girls tend to bully each other by spreading rumors. No physical scars, lots of emotional ones. Seems to be a new, high-tech way to do things. Technology is pervasive at this level, and who among us hasn't had at least a twinge of jealously when a grade-school buddy got the latest and greatest toy?
Oh yeah, we could never bring toys to class. Brought up too much strife.
spacemanspiff
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there was always a humbling effect when i would get the belt. even more so when talking with friends my age that also would get the belt. those peers of mine who had tree-huggin-hippys as parents, to this day they have no sense of respect for others.
i dont think any one of us have turned into horrible monsters because we recieved 'negative reinforcement' by our parental units. in fact, i've only been in one fist fight my entire life (and got the beatdown i deserved), (well i did stand and take a couple punches to the head by some drunk fool that thought he was all that, but he threw fists like a girl, it wasnt until the 2nd 'punch' that i realized he was attacking me).
getting the belt did me a lot of good. i imagine it would do todays youths some good as well.
i dont think any one of us have turned into horrible monsters because we recieved 'negative reinforcement' by our parental units. in fact, i've only been in one fist fight my entire life (and got the beatdown i deserved), (well i did stand and take a couple punches to the head by some drunk fool that thought he was all that, but he threw fists like a girl, it wasnt until the 2nd 'punch' that i realized he was attacking me).
getting the belt did me a lot of good. i imagine it would do todays youths some good as well.
confed sailor
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you know,
back in school i was a definately a target for bullies, and some of then gave me hell. though what truly solved the problem was when i broke some schmucks nose with a chemistry book, no worries after that.
btw honors chem was some HEAVY readin.
back in school i was a definately a target for bullies, and some of then gave me hell. though what truly solved the problem was when i broke some schmucks nose with a chemistry book, no worries after that.
btw honors chem was some HEAVY readin.
Jammer Six
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Yes, that's exactly what I said. Couldn't have put it better.
Huh? Where?
Perhaps we're talking about different levels of behaviour.
I'm not saying that kids should be put in prison for one incident of playground fighting or such. I am saying that by the age of twelve kids do know right from wrong, and when they demonstrate consistant preditory behaviour, and commit violent offenses, they should be held legally accountable for them. Violent assaults (sexual and otherwise), rape, murder, and stalking are not matters to be dealt with by parents, teachers, or administrators.
Example (Article from the Columbus Dispatch): Here's a nice young boy that didn't commit the sexual assault - he only video taped it- so his folks say there is no reason to keep him from his schooling. Perhaps he should just be forced to give up some profits from his video- which is likely hosted somewhere on the net by now.
MIFFLIN STUDENT UNFAIRLY ACCUSED, SPOKESMAN SAYS
Published: Friday, April 22, 2005
NEWS 03C
By Jennifer Smith Richards and Eric James
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, WBNS-10TV
The student accused of videotaping what authorities say was a sexual assault of a developmentally disabled student at Mifflin High School should be allowed to return to school, a family spokesman said yesterday.
Jerome McCorry identified the student as 18-year-old Kevin Bolling, who he said is battling his expulsion.
Bolling is guilty of nothing more than following a crowd to the unsupervised auditorium where he shouldn't have been, McCorry said. Bolling's mother sought McCorry's help because he is an advocate with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in Dayton.
The 16-year-old girl said she was forced to perform oral sex on two Mifflin boys behind curtains on the auditorium's stage.
Bolling made an appeal to Columbus Public Schools yesterday.
He was expelled in mid-March "for sexual violations,'' McCorry said.
"That's a premise that was never established, and charges were never officially made against this young man. There was never a witness who saw him engaging in a sexual confrontation at all,'' McCorry said.
Police have said Bolling should be charged with pandering obscenity, though no charges have been filed.
Bolling and his family haven't seen the videotape mentioned in a district investigation, McCorry said. If it exists, "our understanding is there may have been some three to five seconds worth of tape on something, but they can't make anything out.''
Bolling is a senior who is eager to graduate, McCorry said.
"He's missed an awful lot of school,'' he said. "It's important for us to get this terrible thing off his record.''
Bolling has enrolled at one of Columbus' Life Skills Centers, charter high schools for at-risk students or dropouts, McCorry said. At least two other students also have been expelled in connection with the incident.
Two days after the March 9 incident, the four Mifflin administrators on duty during the incident were sent home on paid leave while the district investigated. A new team has taken over the school.
Principal Regina Crenshaw is being fired but has asked for a private hearing before the Board of Education. After serving 10-day unpaid suspensions, the three assistant principals have been reassigned to posts where they won't have contact with students.
Police are investigating the administrators' actions that day. They have said two boys involved should be charged with delinquency counts of rape.
So far, no one has been charged with a crime.
McCorry isn't a lawyer, but at least one of the boys accused of forcing the girl to perform oral sex has hired one. Attorney Gerald Sunbury is representing a freshman. Sunbury said he's waiting to see whether charges are filed. He also said he hasn't seen the video.
"But the variation in the (witnesses') stories just intrigues me,'' he said.
McCorry said he's certain that Bolling isn't guilty of anything.
"He's been crucified in the press. Things have been said to damage his character, and we don't believe he was involved in anything illegal,'' McCorry said.
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Perhaps we're talking about different levels of behaviour.
I'm not saying that kids should be put in prison for one incident of playground fighting or such. I am saying that by the age of twelve kids do know right from wrong, and when they demonstrate consistant preditory behaviour, and commit violent offenses, they should be held legally accountable for them. Violent assaults (sexual and otherwise), rape, murder, and stalking are not matters to be dealt with by parents, teachers, or administrators.
Example (Article from the Columbus Dispatch): Here's a nice young boy that didn't commit the sexual assault - he only video taped it- so his folks say there is no reason to keep him from his schooling. Perhaps he should just be forced to give up some profits from his video- which is likely hosted somewhere on the net by now.
MIFFLIN STUDENT UNFAIRLY ACCUSED, SPOKESMAN SAYS
Published: Friday, April 22, 2005
NEWS 03C
By Jennifer Smith Richards and Eric James
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, WBNS-10TV
The student accused of videotaping what authorities say was a sexual assault of a developmentally disabled student at Mifflin High School should be allowed to return to school, a family spokesman said yesterday.
Jerome McCorry identified the student as 18-year-old Kevin Bolling, who he said is battling his expulsion.
Bolling is guilty of nothing more than following a crowd to the unsupervised auditorium where he shouldn't have been, McCorry said. Bolling's mother sought McCorry's help because he is an advocate with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in Dayton.
The 16-year-old girl said she was forced to perform oral sex on two Mifflin boys behind curtains on the auditorium's stage.
Bolling made an appeal to Columbus Public Schools yesterday.
He was expelled in mid-March "for sexual violations,'' McCorry said.
"That's a premise that was never established, and charges were never officially made against this young man. There was never a witness who saw him engaging in a sexual confrontation at all,'' McCorry said.
Police have said Bolling should be charged with pandering obscenity, though no charges have been filed.
Bolling and his family haven't seen the videotape mentioned in a district investigation, McCorry said. If it exists, "our understanding is there may have been some three to five seconds worth of tape on something, but they can't make anything out.''
Bolling is a senior who is eager to graduate, McCorry said.
"He's missed an awful lot of school,'' he said. "It's important for us to get this terrible thing off his record.''
Bolling has enrolled at one of Columbus' Life Skills Centers, charter high schools for at-risk students or dropouts, McCorry said. At least two other students also have been expelled in connection with the incident.
Two days after the March 9 incident, the four Mifflin administrators on duty during the incident were sent home on paid leave while the district investigated. A new team has taken over the school.
Principal Regina Crenshaw is being fired but has asked for a private hearing before the Board of Education. After serving 10-day unpaid suspensions, the three assistant principals have been reassigned to posts where they won't have contact with students.
Police are investigating the administrators' actions that day. They have said two boys involved should be charged with delinquency counts of rape.
So far, no one has been charged with a crime.
McCorry isn't a lawyer, but at least one of the boys accused of forcing the girl to perform oral sex has hired one. Attorney Gerald Sunbury is representing a freshman. Sunbury said he's waiting to see whether charges are filed. He also said he hasn't seen the video.
"But the variation in the (witnesses') stories just intrigues me,'' he said.
McCorry said he's certain that Bolling isn't guilty of anything.
"He's been crucified in the press. Things have been said to damage his character, and we don't believe he was involved in anything illegal,'' McCorry said.
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Jammer Six
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Nope, we're not, and you made my point.
They should all KNOW it's wrong, just exactly as you point out.
And that doesn't stop them.
It's why we don't let them vote, drive, fight or drink. Because they don't have the maturity, control and experience to make the correct decision based on that information. In time, many of them, the overwhelming majority, in fact, will gain the necessary judgement to correctly analyze the available information, and decide not to attack- they will mature. Happens every day.
But not when they're twelve. Or thirteen. There are many who will tell you not when they're twenty, but you have to pick an age, because the law first has to be fair.
Knowledge that it's wrong isn't enough, and I thank you for making that point.
Unless, of course, you're trying to say that no one learns past the age of twelve, and that you know everything you need to know by that age? (That would actually go a long ways towards explaining the divorce rate, now that I think about it- twelve year olds know everything about sex, don't they?)
Denying someone a carry permit when he or she is forty five, with an unblemished adult record because of a mistake they made when they were twelve is simply backwards, for the above mentioned reasons. I believe it's one of the main tenents behind article fifteen of the UCMJ, in fact, and that never comes into play until one is at least seventeen. Or are you saying that we should hold twelve year olds MORE accountable than we hold seventeen year old soldiers?
But I digress. I appreciate your comments, and thank you for your participation.
They're children. Spank them, and take them home. Then, tomorrow, let them try again.
JPM70535
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Using the ages of the respondents to this topic only confirms what I have suspected for some time now, I am older than dirt, and damned glad of it.
Bullys have existed, I would imagine ( can only testify to their presence from 1949) from the dawn of time, and the only method guaranteed to alter their behavior was a good a** kicking by one or more of their victims, using any and all aids available. I was picked on for a time by a 1st class bully who had about a 6 inch reach and 25 pounds on me. One day after school, he called me out, which in those days meant issueing a challenge to meet after school in the vacent lot across from the school. He was steadily thumping my butt until I head butted him in the nose. All I remember after that was sitting astride his chest and banging his head repeatedly into the sidewalk. I never regretted cheating to win, as the emphasis shouild always be "TO WIN" In this instance this bully never bothered me again and by my Senior year we got friendly enough that he set me up with his sister. The date just didn't work out, which he told me later was what he expected as his sister had a "10 COMPLEX "
Today, fighting is considered Verboten, guaranteed to land both combatants in a world of **** with the School system, assuming the fight occurred on school grounds, or with the Court System if the incident was on public property. Our little set to would have been called Battery or maybe even Aggravated Battery since I caused him a hairline skull fracture. Even that would not have been the end of it, enter the Lawyers for both combatents who would have tied up the Civil Courts for years with charges and couinter charges of catastrophic injuries and permanent psychological damages that could only be cured by vast sums of monetary compensations.
What I am trying to say, (Probably not very well) is that the difference between Bullies then and now is the structure of Society is geared totally towards non violent solutions to every dispute or disagreement. Can't you just see Big Brothers fine handiwork?
The result is since there is no avenue of revenge available to the victim, he or she is forced to endure the Bully until the stress builds up to the point the only recourse turns into a "Columbine" followed by the wailing and knashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, followed by assinine Zero Tolerence rules where pointing a finger at someone in school and going "BANG" results in automatic expulsion, and the carrying of a nail file is chargeable as carrying a deadly weapon.
It doesn't matter whether the Bully is physically or mentally abusive, and whether or not the abuse was face to face or through cyber space, the result turns out the same.
I don't have the answer, If I did I'd probably have Dr. Phil's TV program and be filthy rich. I believe some of the clothing related incidents could be made moot points if Uniforms were mandated (No Exceptions), and if the Bully was held accountable for his actions.
The notion that 12 year olds don't know right from wrong, and should not be made to answer for his actions is ludicrous. Murder is Murder and the penalty should be the same. And for all the liberals out there, I would exempt children under 6 from criminal prosecution since common sense dictates they do truly lack the capacity to know right from wrong, but much past that age they begin to learn the concept, and by the age of 12 know the difference.
One last comment. Why are Bullys allowed, no wrong word, "Required" to be kept in School regardless of their behavior. Cross reference the Bully file with the disruptive student file and you find the same name on both lists. In the stone age (Fiftys) Bullys dissapeared in a relatively short time, same as the student who refused to learn and insisted in being disruptive. Today, short of mass murder they are free to act out to their hearts content without fear of retribution and I guess if they lived long enough, could retire with a pension from the School System.
Thanks for listening and if I got too far off topic, I apoligize, and please excuse the typeing. Fat fingers and small keys don't mix.
JPM
Bullys have existed, I would imagine ( can only testify to their presence from 1949) from the dawn of time, and the only method guaranteed to alter their behavior was a good a** kicking by one or more of their victims, using any and all aids available. I was picked on for a time by a 1st class bully who had about a 6 inch reach and 25 pounds on me. One day after school, he called me out, which in those days meant issueing a challenge to meet after school in the vacent lot across from the school. He was steadily thumping my butt until I head butted him in the nose. All I remember after that was sitting astride his chest and banging his head repeatedly into the sidewalk. I never regretted cheating to win, as the emphasis shouild always be "TO WIN" In this instance this bully never bothered me again and by my Senior year we got friendly enough that he set me up with his sister. The date just didn't work out, which he told me later was what he expected as his sister had a "10 COMPLEX "
Today, fighting is considered Verboten, guaranteed to land both combatants in a world of **** with the School system, assuming the fight occurred on school grounds, or with the Court System if the incident was on public property. Our little set to would have been called Battery or maybe even Aggravated Battery since I caused him a hairline skull fracture. Even that would not have been the end of it, enter the Lawyers for both combatents who would have tied up the Civil Courts for years with charges and couinter charges of catastrophic injuries and permanent psychological damages that could only be cured by vast sums of monetary compensations.
What I am trying to say, (Probably not very well) is that the difference between Bullies then and now is the structure of Society is geared totally towards non violent solutions to every dispute or disagreement. Can't you just see Big Brothers fine handiwork?
The result is since there is no avenue of revenge available to the victim, he or she is forced to endure the Bully until the stress builds up to the point the only recourse turns into a "Columbine" followed by the wailing and knashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, followed by assinine Zero Tolerence rules where pointing a finger at someone in school and going "BANG" results in automatic expulsion, and the carrying of a nail file is chargeable as carrying a deadly weapon.
It doesn't matter whether the Bully is physically or mentally abusive, and whether or not the abuse was face to face or through cyber space, the result turns out the same.
I don't have the answer, If I did I'd probably have Dr. Phil's TV program and be filthy rich. I believe some of the clothing related incidents could be made moot points if Uniforms were mandated (No Exceptions), and if the Bully was held accountable for his actions.
The notion that 12 year olds don't know right from wrong, and should not be made to answer for his actions is ludicrous. Murder is Murder and the penalty should be the same. And for all the liberals out there, I would exempt children under 6 from criminal prosecution since common sense dictates they do truly lack the capacity to know right from wrong, but much past that age they begin to learn the concept, and by the age of 12 know the difference.
One last comment. Why are Bullys allowed, no wrong word, "Required" to be kept in School regardless of their behavior. Cross reference the Bully file with the disruptive student file and you find the same name on both lists. In the stone age (Fiftys) Bullys dissapeared in a relatively short time, same as the student who refused to learn and insisted in being disruptive. Today, short of mass murder they are free to act out to their hearts content without fear of retribution and I guess if they lived long enough, could retire with a pension from the School System.
Thanks for listening and if I got too far off topic, I apoligize, and please excuse the typeing. Fat fingers and small keys don't mix.
JPM
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