CZ 2075 RAMI BD 9mm ALLOY

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I'm trying to find a CZ 2075 RAMI BD but am having no luck. It seems that CZ everything is out of stock, and I've been witness to this with CZ but it seems apart from getting on a waiting list one cannot touch certain models.

When doing countless hours of research it seems that this CZ checks the most boxes for my CCW. Do any of you have any personal experience with it?

I'm aware of the problems the Polymer framed CZ RAMI had, it seems like the Alloy framed CZ RAMI has been reliable by my searching. Anyone with personal experience that can confirm this was related to the Polymer frames?

My criteria is:

1. DA/SA
2. Decocker
3. No Safety
4. 9mm
5. Alloy frame would be preferred to polymer (not a huge deal however)
6. More mainstream reputable company
7. Close in weight and size of other subcompact offerings (this is the one criteria that I know I will have to compromise on as it's hard to fit DA/SA controls into a firearm in the subcompact size)

It seems the CZ 2075 RAMI BD checks a lot of the boxes but needs some compromising no my part in the size and weight category, and I'm ok with that.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it can share magazines with the CZ 75's? This is a great option as I can see a full framed CZ in my future as well.

Thank you for your considerations!

Luke

 

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Other runner ups to the CZ RAMI BD (CZ Website Link) I considered were:

1. HK P2000SK LEM V3 (HK Website Link) (a close second, don't care for the decocker on the rear of the slide, however the LEM trigger seems to get rave reviews)
2. Sig P239 SAS Gen2 (Sig Website Link) (weighs 3.5 oz more than the alloy framed CZ, however not sure if they are comparing apples to apples, i.e. with magazine w/o magazine)

 

[Winkman822]

Take a look at the following options:

HK P30SK DA/SA
HK P2000SK
Sig P239
Sig P225-A1 (it's a little larger footprint than the P239, however)
Sphinx SDP Subcompact

 

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Thanks Winkman822, what is the difference between the P30sk and the p2000sk other than the LEM trigger?

 

[Winkman822]

Thanks Winkman822, what is the difference between the P30sk and the p2000sk other than the LEM trigger?

Both the P2000SK and P30SK are available as DA/SA or LEM trigger configurations. The P30 is (in my opinion, anyway) a more refined pistol. The grip has a more ergonomically friendly design and is more customizable to the individual shooter with the ability to swap out not only the back strap, but also the side grip panels. The P30SK also has a standard picitinny rail versus the standardized rail found on the P2000SK (the latter being comparable to a Glock's frame rail.). Yet another little difference is that the P30SK has slightly larger magazine release tabs that make it easier to manipulate than those found on P2000SK. Either gun will serve its purpose very well and it really just comes down to personal preference between the two. I will say this, however, I find the P30SK to feel a little chunkier than the P2000SK

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The RAMI BD can use full-size CZ 75B (or 75B compact) mags. They won't be flush fit, and would be awkward if carried that way -- but would be fine as backup mags.

 

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@Winkman822: I didn't realize you can get the LEM trigger in the P30SK, that's good to know. I'm coming off of using a S&W Shield as my CCW, I know that none of the options listed by myself or you will carry as easily as the Shield, but I do want to be somewhat considerate of how wide/thick the options are. I'll have to see if I can find a LGS around here that has bothe the P2000SK and the P30SK in stock and check them out. I've still yet to handle one of the CZ RAMI's either.

@Walt Sherrill: Thanks for confirming this, it is something I don't consider a great advantage, but it's still adds some convenience.

 

[Winkman822]

@Winkman822: I didn't realize you can get the LEM trigger in the P30SK, that's good to know. I'm coming off of using a S&W Shield as my CCW, I know that none of the options listed by myself or you will carry as easily as the Shield, but I do want to be somewhat considerate of how wide/thick the options are. I'll have to see if I can find a LGS around here that has bothe the P2000SK and the P30SK in stock and check them out. I've still yet to handle one of the CZ RAMI's either.

@Walt Sherrill: Thanks for confirming this, it is something I don't consider a great advantage, but it's still adds some convenience.

Sure can. The P30SK actually three LEM variant, the V1 is the lightest trigger pull at around 4.5-5 lbs, the V2 is a good bit heavier at around 7 lbs, and the V4 splits the middle at a very Glock-ish 6 lbs.

 

[I6turbo]

Be aware that the RAMI is quite different ergonomically than the 75 family that has earned such a good reputation for function and and ergonomics. Unless you are specifically interested in the boxy shape of the RAMI, check out the 75 D PCR. A fabulous gun, IME. Center right in this photo:

 

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@I6turbo: Thank you for the picture, that helps a lot. Do you have a RAMI in the picture, top left doesn't quite look like it on the CZ website but maybe it is? After doing more research it seems like most people move away from the RAMI to the PCR because of the perceived wider feel of the RAMI, is that an accurate assessment?

I wish CZ made a single stack PCR as that would alleviate my concerns of IWB carrying. I'm used to IWB carrying a Shield and Walther PPS m2 and am wondering if the extra width will move me into OWB carrying. I'm really wanting a DA/SA for my CCW, and will be selling my other carry weapons when I can find the right one, but nobody seems to carry exactly what I'm looking for. I've handled the HK P2000sk and it seems pretty wide when comparing it to my shield or walther, and I've always wanted a compact CZ I'm just concerned over the width of them as well.

I need to find a PCR locally (which is impossible) to get a hand on one and test it out in my IWB holster.

If you're listening CZ...single stack PCR.

 

[sirgilligan]

Well, you could get a P01 and put some really thin grips on it.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I've been a CZ fan for years and have owned a bunch of different ones, along with several other CZ-pattern guns, and a P-07.. I could NEVER get a RAMI to feel right in my hand. They are good CZ guns, but they just feel unnaturally BIG to me.

 

[DP03]

I have the PCR and love it.

 

[gotboostvr]

I second a single stack PCR.
I might put some thin grips on my P01, but a single stack PCR would be a whole 'nother animal as long as it's not like a Sig 225 which is almost the same size as it's double stack brethren.

 

[Litlman]

Top left CZ in 16Turbo's picture is a PO1. Mrs Armored man, Armored man's spouse , (I think) here on the forum has a nice Rami. Search rami and you will see some real nice pictures. Armored man has been a CZ fan here for a long time and does some cool pictures. If I find a PCR locally I would be hard pressed not to buy it.

 

[armoredman]

Well, thank you for that intro!
My wife loves her RAMI pistols, and her BD, AKA Black Diamond, is no exception.



Note that she uses the extended 14 round magazine with the sleeve on it. I did test this one out and without the larger mag, it was much more difficult for me to shoot, but then again, I CCW full size pistols like my CZ SP-01 Phantom and CZ P-09 regularly.

A guide to the size difference is here, RAMI in front, then P-01 then Phantom.



It worked quite well and I accidentally got a center hit on a steel target at 100 yards with the little gun, but I wouldn't try that too often!

The PCR is, quite frankly, in my very humble opinion, one of the best designed CCW pistols ever made.



If all I had was a PCR and a couple of spare mags, I'd still be a happy camper.

 

[DairyVet]

Another to consider would be the Walther p99c AS. No personal experience yet, but it's on my short list for future purchases. It checks a lot of the boxes in your list, and if you search "p99c vs cz rami" you can find some good side to side comparison pics.

 

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I cannot find a PCR or RAMI anywhere. But I did put a PCR on backorder. We'll see how long it takes for me to get it. I always hear a few people who like the RAMI but it sure seems like there's a lot of people who despite the PCR being bigger feel it feels smaller in hand. I think if I can get the right holster to carry it we'll I'll love it, if not then I'll keep it for a range or winter carry.

It's tough that CZ's are always out of stock, but I heard they were asked to increase production and they said they wouldn't because they felt their quality control would have to suffer if they did. I respect them greatly for that. I can wait for a quality firearm, let's not all try and be high quantity manufacturers I still desire for some to be more about high quality good fit and finish.

 

[armoredman]

I hadn't heard that but I can believe it. The other thing is the CZ-UB factory is a world wide supplier of police and military firearms, and sometimes they don't have the extra space/time for certain civilian models. Look how long it took the Phantom to come back, because the Czech Armed Forces wanted Phantoms. Huge contract.
I have been told that some days when the plane lands, it can be a "wow, who knew they were going to ship these!" kind of thing.

 

[Litlman]

A Phantom would be nice. It's hard to find CZ's around here. I used to call shops to see if they had any in. My first one I found was used 20 minutes away and my next was 45 minutes away. When I called and they were in stock I took a drive. I also would squirrel "CZ" money away and if I ran in to one by accident, I would have the cash ready.

 

[ccoyle]

I heard a rumor at my LGS last week that CZ had some sort of hiccup with one or more of their new P-10 models and that all of the factory's attention was being focused on getting P-10 production back on track. Take that for what it's worth.

When I was shopping for a new CC gun, a shop in the area had a RAMI in stock. I really, really wanted to like that pistol, but it just did not fit my hand right. The PCR, on the other hand, fits like a glove, and I dream of the day when I can actually own one.

 

[armoredman]

Late April is the last word I heard on delivery of the P-10C. Trust me, CZ-USA is also unhappy with the delays, but they are a wholly owned subsidiary of CZ-UB, and have to dance to the tune the factory calls.