CZ-82s at AIM Surplus

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I'm kinda with Furncliff on that.. First off, let me say that I had bought a couple spare mags some time back from, if I'm not mistaken, JG. I could certainly find the bill on my CC statement, but I didn't keep the packing slip. Long before that, I had gotten a couple from CDNN. The CDNN mags were in CZ marked factory packaging. The JG ones were not. Both sets worked just fine, but the fit and finish of the ones that did not have factory packaging was noticeably inferior.

I believe that both mags are made by CZ, but maybe the ones without factory packaging are a lowered spec production run??
 
CZ-82 is a good dependable gun that will not fail you. I like the 9X18 cartridge so that also influences me. The Cost appears to be reasonable as the prices for most European 9X18's has been increasing steadily for the last couple of years.
 
Yes Therm, I too await your explanation why you say the 9 Mak round is a terrible round. Is this a Russian thing? :p

Sorry if this came out snarky, I just burned my macaroni and cheese. :banghead: However, please, tell us why.
 
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Yes Therm, I too await your explanation why you say the 9 Mak round is a terrible round. Is this a Russian thing? :p

Sorry if this came out snarky, I just burned my macaroni and cheese. :banghead: However, please, tell us why.
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The charm of the CZ82 pistols went away when surplus guns crossed the $200 mark. Practice FMJ ammo for the 9x19 is less expensive than the equivalent 9x18 ammo. It's hard to imagine but 50 pack of steel cased .45ACP is only about $2 more than 9x18 box.
 
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It certainly is possible (probable?) that the magazines have come from different CZ authorized manufacturers over the years. The problem is for us is since none of them have markings.

I decided to test my CZ this morning. Two magazines worked fine and the other two have a failure to feed mid-way through the ammo. Both of the ftf occurred at the same point.

However until I shoot them some more I am not blaming the mags. THe are several possible causes;

1. Dirty mags. I got a heavy black grease on my thumb with I was loading ammo in to the mags so they may need a good cleaning in mineral spirits.

2. Operator error. High Probability. I noticed I was shifting my grip when going from DA to SA. I did have not problems when shooing SA and DA only.

3. Ammo. I was using Barnaul FMJ.

4. Mechanical problem with the gun. I am going to order a recoil spring pack from Wolff and try a heavier spring to slow the slide down a mite. I found empties a good 15 - 20' away from the gun.

So there are too many variables at this time. The mags have worked fine on previous occasions so the cause is most like me breaking my grip when going from DA to SA.

The only other comment is my gun at least is not a good candidate for ammo that you want to save your brass. It was throwing empties everywhere a good 15 - 20' feet away from me.
 
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I decided to test my CZ this morning. Two magazines worked fine and the other two have a failure to feed mid-way through the ammo. Both of the ftf occurred at the same point.
However until I shoot them some more I am not blaming the mags. THe are several possible causes;

1. Dirty mags. I got a heavy black grease on my thumb with I was loading ammo in to the mags so they may need a good cleaning in mineral spirits.
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It might be the ammo itself that's giving you the "black thumb." I've noticed that phenomenon with Barnaul ammo regardless of what magazine I'm loading it into.
 
BSA1: My comments were posted several days after reading JG's ad. Skepticism about any mags resulted from lessons gained years ago on the "Magazine" forum at Perfectunion. Such a huge number of aftermarket problems (Mini 14s, 30s) deserved their own topic forum.

But what I gradually learned in the meantime after the JG advertising, at Czech gun forums on The Original CZ Forums, Surplusrifle and Gunboards, was that so many "CZ" markings do not prove that such magazines were manufactured in the original factory in Uhersky Brod, Czech Republic.

Several other words in the Czech language appear in the package, which indicates authenticity. But again, no markings are inscribed on my "correct" mag.
Initial doubts concerned the price of about $20 (too good to be true:scrutiny:), which did not seem right when info revealed that the mag
shipped from Uhersky Brod to Kansas City (etc) sells for about $44.

I hope that you can get all of your mags to operate reliably. It was difficult learning how to Inspire people to make comments on those other forums that CZ-USA, and maybe nobody else in the US (?) sells these $44 authentic factory spec mags. It was a relief that Makarovs don't have this issue.
 
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The charm of the CZ82 pistols went away when surplus guns crossed the $200 mark.
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That's pretty much how I feel about it. For $300 a person can get a LCP with a laser these days for under $300. The CZ is built more solid and it has the weight to prove it. I'll hang on to my LCP before paying $300 for a gun that sold so cheap for so long. I know things happen and prices go up. I just don't think they're worth what people are asking these days.
 
I'm not too concerned about fixing the feeding problem as they have worked fine before.

I am going to start with the gun by replacing the recoil spring with a 16.5 lb. one. Replacing the springs on used gun is usually the first thing I do. I neglected to do it to this gun.

I have a Ruger 9mm that started choking up on me after 20 years. I replaced all of the springs and it now works fine with even junk quality USA mags.

While I am waiting on the springs to come I am going to disassemble all of mags and give them a bath in mineral spirits. I am going to compare the length of each spring while I have them apart.

All of my mags look exactly the same. Each one has a X stamped in the metal on the lower left corner of the mag.

Unfortunately it will be a month before I can test the gun again as my range is closed for the rest of June for berm repairs.

I also have some old Hornady ammo I am going to run through them.

As for the price difference paying more when the manufacturer's name stamped on them is usual. Look at the price of oem mags from SIG. I can buy a lot of springs for the $22.00 price difference and I can always exchange any bad ones with J&G.
 
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BSA ..."If you have any proof the J&G is engaging in deceptive sales please post it."

I did not say anything about deceptive sales, if you wish to infer that, then that's fine. If you want proof , I ll send my magazine to CZUSA for verification. If they are legit CZ mags I'll buy you lunch.
 
Furncliff: I'm curious also. The new mag from "Uhersky Brod, Czech Republic" is missing the two wide grooves/channels at the bottom.
For anybody else who is also new to these, but did not read the entire topic, it was ordered from CZ-USA.

Not even the small "x" is on this new mag, a 10-rounder. There are no markings, anywhere.

In contrast, the gun's original 12-rd. mag does have the small inscribed "x", but that is all.
 
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Then it appears I have CZ manufactured magazines which J&G was selling when I brought mine.

I have concluded that the feeding problems I am having is not being caused by the magazines.

This discussion keep nagging at me so I took some time off and went the range. The two magazines that I have ftf with functioned perfectly the first 12 rounds. Then I tried them with another 12 rounds each and ftf. One with one and two with other. Dang! So I loaded one of the magazines that functioned find the other day and I have a ftf with it.

I also paid close attention to a proper grip so I also ruling operator error out. This only leaves ammo or a mechanical problem. This is a topic for another thread after I take some pictures.
 
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