bannockburn
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Don't know about others but I do. Still probably doesn't make me a hipster.
Don't know about others but I do. Still probably doesn't make me a hipster.
cz owners, hipsters?
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I introduced a few people to CZ, and many hipsters love them, but I have never seen one own them. Plastic Walthers, and H/K are what I see with Hipsters, I think CZ Skorpions are hipster guns. Mostly because 9mm AR alternatives that don't look like trash are rare... and hipsters don't like AR's these days.
News to me and I'm in a couple of CZ groups and we own a "few" (and if I count my brother from another mother and my Sifu that grows to a few dozen).
The value/price of the outstanding CZ pistols may have gotten many folks not interested in plastic hi-cap pistols appreciating the quality vs. a bunch of poly pistol advocates or the GI (Geezer Interest) .45 (said by a 'geezer').
So, no, I have no idea why anyone would think CZs have any "hipster" association (I'm sure Col. Cooper would be surprised by the hipster notion, but would approve of anyone's choice of the a CZ 75 inspired platform).
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They are not saying CZ owners are actually hipsters (ie., Goatees, retro clothing, vegan,etc). They are saying CZ owners are the gun world equivalent - too cool to own the common guns like Glock, S&W, Ruger, etc. While CZ doesn't have the same name recognition they are hardly something special that only people who know the secret hand shake are in on.
Obturation
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In the car world of Japanese sedans, you have Honda Civic/Accord and Toyota Corolla/Camry for the masses, but the "hipsters" are driving the Subaru Impreza/Legacy.
In the gun world of Euro traditional double action (TDA) autos, you had the Beretta 92 and the SIG P226, but the "hipster's" were shooting the CZ75.
Nothing wrong with a Honda or Toyota, or a Beretta or a SIG, but you know, everybody has one of those. Now a Subaru or a CZ will show the world I'm not like everybody else, well, other than the millions of folks that have Subaru's or CZ's.
Better than I could have said it.
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Average Joe
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Hipsters, because we can draw from the hip, and put them in the 10 ring, time after time......
my 75 D is the finest carry gun available IMO. It's small, it holds 15+1 and they are end of the world reliable. The ergonomics are the best I ever felt in a semi, and even though I have large-ish hands I'd take my D over my B. It just feels perfect.
Howland937
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Perhaps they're throwing shade at CZ owners for choosing something other than Glock, and the "hipsters" comparison is to avoid anyone clapping back...
Or could be that CZ makes some decent quality stuff at a reasonable price point and people like them. I prefer the 1911 platform and enjoy it in calibers other than .45. I don't always want everything everyone else has. But that's just my opinion. And everyone knows, opinions are like...
...Glocks
Or could be that CZ makes some decent quality stuff at a reasonable price point and people like them. I prefer the 1911 platform and enjoy it in calibers other than .45. I don't always want everything everyone else has. But that's just my opinion. And everyone knows, opinions are like...
...Glocks
Gordon
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I got turned on to CZ At gunsite by the blessed col. hisself: "if your so in love with the double actrion pistol, I reccomend CZ as the best of the breed. " and they were not availalable , readily in US in early 1980s as that was about the height of the cold war and Reagan was into economic leverage so ..... I got my first CZ in laer 90s when I bought a lightly used CZ97, FINALLY a Cooper reccomend DA in a none sissy caliber The next one was a P01 when they first came out, replete with Nato acceptance . I changed the ejector spring and recoil spring to Wolffe products and the trigger broke in nicely and is decent as is. An extremely accurate handgun. The rather large 97 with 3 loaded mags stays locked up in the truck SAFE, yes SAFE !
The next one was a P01 when they first came out, replete with Nato acceptance . I changed the ejector spring and recoil spring to Wolffe products and the trigger broke in nicely and is decent as is. An extremely accurate handgun. The rather large 97 with 3 loaded mags stays locked up in the truck SAFE, yes SAFE !
earlthegoat2
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According to age, I am a millenial; the group so often associated with hipsters. Other than that, I have nothing to do with what is stereotypically....or not...associated with them.
That said I think CZ 75 series pistols have great ergonomics (particularly the PCR) and I would own one in the right circumstances.
Other than that though I think the extreme over-hype starts at their rimfire rifle's touted accuracy, which a Savage Mk2 bests at half the price, and ends at every other non-rifle product they have.
I do think the 527s and original 550 rifles have promise though I have not owned one. The old BRNO 511 and newer CZ 512 are the very best 22 mag autos on the market followed closely by the HK 416.
So really, I am a big fan of their most popular product, that being the 75 series, and a very big fan their product that most people forget exist, the 512. The 527 and 550 are probably really good but I dont care enough to follow up on that because I generally dont like bolt actions anyway and the rest is completely unknown to me with me not wanting or caring to find out.
That said I think CZ 75 series pistols have great ergonomics (particularly the PCR) and I would own one in the right circumstances.
Other than that though I think the extreme over-hype starts at their rimfire rifle's touted accuracy, which a Savage Mk2 bests at half the price, and ends at every other non-rifle product they have.
I do think the 527s and original 550 rifles have promise though I have not owned one. The old BRNO 511 and newer CZ 512 are the very best 22 mag autos on the market followed closely by the HK 416.
So really, I am a big fan of their most popular product, that being the 75 series, and a very big fan their product that most people forget exist, the 512. The 527 and 550 are probably really good but I dont care enough to follow up on that because I generally dont like bolt actions anyway and the rest is completely unknown to me with me not wanting or caring to find out.
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In the eternal holy war between Glocks and 1911s, CZs are a lesser-known "take a third option." Hipsters were obsessed with finding things outside of the mainstream just so they could say they were out of the mainstream... turning your back on a holy war is one way to do that.
I have a Jericho (Israeli CZ clone) in 45 ACP and it's probably the last auto pistol I'd ever sell. It's down to that or the Buckmark.
I have a Jericho (Israeli CZ clone) in 45 ACP and it's probably the last auto pistol I'd ever sell. It's down to that or the Buckmark.
roval
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one of them was this at 5:50
i couldn't find the other video , again different shooter video, where the guy rides in on a scooter bedecked in typical hipster fashion and was introduced as a cz guy i think.
Old Dog
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More'n 40 posts and no one remembers. C'mon, now ...
The two original Czech hipsters: Georg and Yortuk Festrunk. They were the first to carry CZs (as wild'n'crazy guys, they packed cocked'n'locked, of course) in this country.
The two original Czech hipsters: Georg and Yortuk Festrunk. They were the first to carry CZs (as wild'n'crazy guys, they packed cocked'n'locked, of course) in this country.
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I just now finished drinking my French roast. I've been drinking that stuff for years. Apparently other people are just now discovering it.
I will have to breeze into work for a little while, driving one of my classic vehicles from the 60's. (The neighbors have a new car. So bourgeois.)
Yeah, it wasn't easy to get a CZ, but a few of us discovered the Tanfoglio clones back then. I still have five or so. That was back when people drove Datsuns and had to choose between a 1911 or a revolver.
I will have to breeze into work for a little while, driving one of my classic vehicles from the 60's. (The neighbors have a new car. So bourgeois.)
Yeah, it wasn't easy to get a CZ, but a few of us discovered the Tanfoglio clones back then. I still have five or so. That was back when people drove Datsuns and had to choose between a 1911 or a revolver.
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Where I am they won't even sell you a CZ without you having a man bun.
So I've taken to making fake ones from Labrador hair. Sell them to folks who want to buy a CZ. Just attach to the noggin when you go into the store. $10.99 a piece. I sell 'em on EBay. Pat. Pending.
So I've taken to making fake ones from Labrador hair. Sell them to folks who want to buy a CZ. Just attach to the noggin when you go into the store. $10.99 a piece. I sell 'em on EBay. Pat. Pending.
Outlaw75
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Well, not a good strategy. If your aim is to tie fanboy-ism about a specific brand to a specific generation pointing out Gen Xer's and Glock is a no brainer.
And I say that as someone who's from the tail end of the Baby Boom.
Howland937
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I'm a GenXer and out several hundred guns I've owned throughout my life, not one has ever been a Glock. I learned a long time ago that I like wonderful triggers too much. I've also never owned a CZ handgun either though. Not that I wouldn't...just haven't.
It's not a stereo type as far as I've ever heard or seen. This thread is the first time I've ever heard of it, and I've read a LOT of forum threads and spoken to a lot of gun enthusiasts, and have never once seen or heard anyone make that connection. To me, that means it's not a stereotype.
IME, the stereotype CZ owner is someone who appreciates fine weapons, somehow gets a chance to shoot his/her 1st CZ, and has the funds available to buy one for himself/herself, and is soon part of the group of CZ owners.
Now, if the stereotype were claimed to be that all CZ owners become fanboys, that's much closer to reality. With their rifles or their handguns, it's very difficult for many people to own just one after getting your first.
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Outlaw75
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My reply wasn't directed at you specifically, but more at shade throwers in general and the stupidity of shade throwing. For my money, dissing another shooter's gun choice is the height of bad form. Everyone has their likes, dislikes, and preferences. If someone doesn't share mine it in no way invalidates my choice of gun or my reasons for choosing said gun. Likewise, nothing I think has any bearing on the validity of their choices. Unfortunately, we live in a society where everyone has to have constant validation and that often takes the form of "everything except what I like sucks".
I've never owned a Glock either. Not because of anything about Glock or who tends to own them, they just don't interest me. Did own a CZ 75BD once, about twenty years ago. I couldn't come to terms with it, so I traded it off. Not CZ's fault; I wasn't as savvy about pistol shooting back then as I am now, so it was most likely my inexperience.
roval
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Now, if the stereotype were claimed to be that all CZ owners become fanboys, that's much closer to reality. With their rifles or their handguns, it's very difficult for many people to own just one after getting your first.
i agree, i think a typical cz owner is one who gets his first gun and the starts extolling the virtues of the brand and then later buys more czs or plans on buying more.(spoken as a guy with 7 cz pistols). that however is not particularly funny and i think there's no particular demographic it is specific to except maybe being an online forum member.
i have a sig which i like but i haven't bought more sigs. i like rugers but only have 4 of them and more having to do with getting different calibers. cz owners are probably more similar to people that like older but not necessarily collectible smith and wesson revolvers that end up with several in the same caliber.
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