CZ Pistol Dislikes - voice 'em

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I must have gotten an oddball, I picked up a CZ52 in an estate auction and it has a very nice trigger. One of the better triggers on most of my guns. I will admit it is snappy to fire, but I have no problem shooting it single handed. You just get used to it. It's not the prettiest gun I own but I like the styling just the same, I find it very representative of where it was made, the circumstances, the use and the times. It is utterly reliable and easy to work on (for me anyway, I have the armorers course).
 
yeah, but there is a difference between a military design CZ 52 and the civilian line of the CZ 75, an actually the correct nomenclature would be vz. 52
 
Sight options and their aftermarket in-general is limited, otherwise they're fantastic.

True that their out-of-the-box triggers aren't usually the greatest, but if that's going to be mentioned it's only fair that I share the other side of that coin: after a trigger job they can easily rival the best triggers found on top-shelf $3k+ 1911's, and while not as easy as a Glock, they're easier than most anything else and they're fairly easy to work on yourself (the decocker versions are indeed trickier though).
 
All versions of the CZ75 problems: Beside the trigger pull when new, the service and treatment at the CZ Custom Shop is awful. If they would stop providing such excellent service @ offerring so many trigger,sight,grip and other options; I wouldn't keep going back to improve a gun that already shoots way better than I ever will.

It was also true that it took almost $18 in spring changes and some polishing work to make the DA/SA trigger really smooth and light and the gun's performance flawless.
 
jmr40 said:
but have too many negatives to be seriously considered for SD

With all due respect, I have never seen anyone post a comment like this. I have several semi's that have been 100% reliable; 2 of them are CZ's. I would bet my families life on a CZ-40B, the other is my SP-01 with a 40 S&W top-end. In thousands of rounds, never a bobble. Ever. My CZ-97 is stone axe reliable and I count some under powered reloads as a malfunction, otherwise 4,000+ rounds with -0- malfunctions (out of 6,000+ fired).

Seriously.

The biggest negative IMHO is the trigger. The good news is it can be improved to an incredible degree. However, the Omega, well, uh, sorry, but that's a question CZ answered that no one asked.
 
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Speaking of reliability............ found this in my archives.

February 2003

The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

Heritage:
The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.

Just might barely be sorta OK for SD, kinda, maybe.

Isher
 
Isher,

Those stats are not comforting to me at all. An expected service life of only 30,000 rounds!!! There are numerous accounts of Glocks, Browning Hi-Powers and 1911's exceeding 200,000 rounds.

7 stoppages in 15,000 rounds seems high to me. The Army set the bar pretty low if they expect a malfunction every 495 rounds.

The CZ may be acceptable for a SD firearm, but when you combine the $600 price tag, narrow slide, tiny ejection port, and heavy steel frame there are simply many, many better choices for SD purposes.

The added weight, great accuracy they achieve as well as the ability to shoot single action make for a great range toy.

I've owned several CZ's, but no more. I'm not into shooting games at the range and found that other designs are better suited for serious personal protection.

Someone mentioned the Browning. They are one of the best pistols ever, far superior to the CZ in every way, except price, but are being phased out also. If the BHP cannot make it, the CZ won't either. Steel framed pistols will soon be as extinct from law enforcement and military use as the do do bird.


Despite CZ's carefully worded deceptive ads CZ pistols are rarely used except in a few third world country's and by a few guys on the internet. There is only 1 gunshop within 100 miles of here who carries CZ pistols and you cannot give away used ones.
 
If the BHP cannot make it, the CZ won't either. Steel framed pistols will soon be as extinct from law enforcement and military use as the do do bird.


CZ now makes a complete line up of lightweight alloy framed pistols such as the CZ-75D PCR and P-01 and polymer framed pistols like the P-07 and SP-01 Phantom.
 
I've owned several CZ's, but no more. I'm not into shooting games at the range and found that other designs are better suited for serious personal protection.

Would you care to expound on this? I'm pretty happy with my PO-1, and RAMI as self defense guns.
 
Can anyone share a feature or personal preference that they dislike about them?
I don't like the magazine brake (although that's easily fixed) that's on on many of their models, the extractor spring tends to be a bit whimpy, and the stock sights could be better.

Other than that, they are as satisfying (if not more so) as any other service 9mm DA/SA pistol. Certainly, the trigger on the (pre-Omega, which is all that I have experience with) CZ's is no worse than on the 92F or the P226/P229 pistols.
 
^ you could always go with a witness or jericho in .45. Well, good luck finding a Jericho anymore. :neener:
 
Only the fact that their .45, the CZ 97, is a little to big for my hands. (and I have big hands.) Other than that, Ilove 'em. I wish they'd make more of their guns in .40, though.
 
I have as many rounds thru my CZ 75 D as my custom Hi Power and have had the Hi Power Back to browning for broken front site blade, broken extractor, cracked chamber and cracked slide. Never once for the CZ. The CZ seems to be able to feed any ammo with no problems.
 
I bought a PO1 3 yrs. ago...I currently own 4 9mm's and to me,It's by far the best 9mm I've ever come across....absolutely flawless...I've had 2 buddies go out and buy CZs after shooting mine...
 
I'm not a hardcore pistolero like many guys posting here, but I think it's a fine pistol, at least the 75B is.
I have three semi-autos that I feel are the finest semis ever produced: Ruger Mark I .22, Czech 82 9x18 and the CZ 75B. Why the best? Because every single time I pull the trigger they all three go bang and the round goes where I am aiming. The 75B had eaten every dirty, stinky el cheapo type of 9mm I've fed it, and it has NEVER failed through over 3500 rounds. The Czech 82, same story only that little beauty I bought used (At least it was carried a lot) and it's had well over 5000 rounds through it. The Mark I has had brick after brick of .22s put through it, taught both daughters to shoot with it and it has only failed to fire a couple of times, but they were all rounds from the same 500 round box of stinky ammo. It has to have fired over 10,000 rounds.
So, what's wrong with the CZ's? The 75B is considered heavy, the trigger won't get you into the Olympics and the finish isn't all shiny. What's right with the 75B? They go bang, very accurate, will eat anything you feed it.
I paid $395 for mine NIB and felt it was a screaming deal. If I were to do it all over again, for $475+....I'd go with the P-07 as it's slightly more refined, lighter, a little shorter. Before the price went up, they were a no brainer great buy. Now....I'd have to shop around, but why when I'm perfectly satisifed with my 75B...
 
I dont like tool marks on slide,and brown spots on the barrel..

As a general rule I don't either..............if you were making a comment about this topic, then I don't understand your point. :confused:
 
Hmmmm

The dread "brown blotches". Researched that quite a while back, when I noticed them on one of mine. What they are, apparently, is some kind of surface oxidation from the process of hammer forging the barrels. Four ought steel wool with a little bit of kero removed the problem in about the same time it took to disassemble the gun. Permanently.

But, by all means, if that is the kiss of death for CZ's in general...........!


Isher
 
I once had a CZ 75B SA .40.....

The slide was kind of difficult to rack because it is small and rides inside the frame instead of over the frame.

The sights were a bit on the tiny side.

The trigger had a rather long pull and a very long reset...not a good thing.
 
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