CZ Reliability: First Hand Experience

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Over the weekend I took a two day course from Aaron Roberts using my CZ SP-01 Phantom with 124gr Speer Lawnman. Great course, great instructor. Anywho, I see this morning that the reliability of the CZs are being debated again, so I thought I would break down how the gun ran for me.

Over the weekend I had no failures to fire, extract or eject other than ones that were intentionally induced for a drill. None.

I did have a few times where the slide failed to lock on an empty magazine and a couple of times I had to strip a magazine out of the magwell. These last two I attribute entirely to the sand I was standing in at my shooting position. It was that fine powdery sand. You know, that kind that makes a puuh sound when a make drops into it. The kind of sand an empty mag sinks halfway into. I was wiping them all down on my pants when I picked them up... but after a while I was just wiping sand on sand. After a couple of reload drills, magazines were audibly grinding into the magwell on insertion. Didn't take any extra force to seat them, but it sounded horrible. Loading the mags up with new rounds was also producing a nice crunching grinding sound. I took the base plate off a few mags between drills and used a finger to wipe down the follower and the inside of the body a couple of times, but after another trip into the sand they were back to nasty.

When I stripped the gun down at the end of class there was sand everywhere inside. The trigger bar was coated, as was the mag latch bar, the decocker guts and the sear. Didn't stop the gun though.

Complaints: The texture on the front strap has tenderized my fingers. They'll get over it though. My right thumb is chewed up from the feed lips on one of my mags. I noticed that when I was stripping rounds out of that particular mag it was scoring the cases. That one got out of the factory a little too sharp.

If anyone is curious, I did the class with my duty rig, the holster of which is a Blade-Tech WRS that they built for my Phantom. (there's a great customer service story lurking there somewhere)

Magazines were CZ factory 18 rounders.

Oh, and for those of you wondering about the condition of the range, this wasn't Mr. Roberts range. He was kind enough to come to us and was teaching on a private range outside of Commanche.
 
My CZ75B has been 100% since I got it, I have probably 1,500 rounds through it so far and have had zero problems of any kind.

You'll get lots of positive opinions on CZ products online then a poster called JMR40 will come and drop his obligatory negative post that is copy/pasted from every CZ thread he's ever posted in.
 
I did have a few times where the slide failed to lock on an empty magazine and a couple of times I had to strip a magazine out of the magwell. These last two I attribute entirely to the sand I was standing in at my shooting position.

Another common reason that a slide fails to stay open on the last shot (on any semi-auto pistol with a slide release lever) is when the shooter inadvertently activates the slide release with the thumb of either the shooting or support hand. Not at all saying that's what happened here, just something for anyone to consider when the slide fails to stay open on the last shot (or stays open on a still loaded gun while shooting).
 
All my CZ's have had issues that needed fixing. Notice I say 'all' which implies I have several, testament to how amazing these pistols and rifles are.
 
SwampWolf said:
Another common reason that a slide fails to stay open on the last shot (on any semi-auto pistol with a slide release lever) is when the shooter inadvertently activates the slide release with the thumb of either the shooting or support hand.

I have a very aggressive support hand grip. Essentially, do a Fonzie thumbs up, then rotate the whole hand forward until the thumb points down the barrel. The pinky of the support hand lays between the pinky and ring finger of the dominant hand and the index finger ends up near the front edge of the trigger guard.

I couldn't accidentally interfere with the slide lock if I tried. :)

But I have seen guys do it often enough that it was my first thought.

powder said:
Got pics of your Phantom?

I'll take some when I get home.
 
I have had about a dozen cZs over the years and have not had a problem with any of them.
 
I own or have owned two CZ-75's, two CZ-40B's and a CZ-40P. All of them have ben totally reliable with a wide vbarietu of factory ammo and reloads. I would suspect limp wristing if an individual encountered feeding/ejection issues with a CZ.
 
Cz's based on the 75 design have been superb. The 82/83 has been excellent. The CZ-100 was reasonably reliable but had a mediocre trigger.
 
I have a CZ75B and a CZ75 Compact, both in 9mm.

I have had a few shooter-induced episodes of the slide failing to lock on an empty magazine.

I have had some episodes of Remington UMC 115gr FMJ ammo failing to chamber. This issue happens only with this brand and bullet weight. If I change bullet weights, or if I change brands (regardless of bullet weight), I don't get this problem. I have no idea why this happens, so I avoid that brand and weight of ammo.

Other than these issues, the guns have been stellar.
 
My CZ's been reliable through hundreds of rounds.

There was one instance where I was having issues with Remington UMC ammo not closing the slide all the way. I just had to give the slide a little tap or push. It was just with the one box of the stuff so probably a bad batch. Other ammo that day fed flawlessly.

My CZ 75B is one gun that I would depend on my life with.
 
My P07 Duty is my EDC, and I love it. have shot some IDPA with it as well, and love the way it bounces right back on target.

It is definitely the hottest selling gun in our store. When we have a chance to buy the scratch and dents from CZ, we buy every one we can get, which was all of them last time. They didnt last long.... Oh, and CZ said the "scratch and dent" on that batch was in the finish... None of us, nor any customers could notice a difference. Our customers love the scratch and dents, because they get them cheaper, and we have yet to have an actual issue with any of them. Just speaks to the quality standard that CZ places on themselves.

I also own a couple of the CZ 712 shotguns, which my girlfriend and I use for doves, ducks, and everything else. I have yet to have an issue. Since Tom Knapp shoots for CZ now, it was definitely a plus getting to meet him at the CZ display at the NRA show this year as well :)
 
I have 3 CZs.
2 are high grade pieces. An NFA item and a czechmate. No problems there.

However, the third is the Duty. Functionality is fine, but its very poorly made when it comes to finish. The rear sight has just moved from holster wear and it seems the thing is made out of poor/cheap polymer.
 
I've found external finishes on CZ's were fine. Internal surfaces that did not affect function would show tool marks, but why waste time or money polishing something that doesn't need it? I mean, has anyone ever looked at the exhaust manifold of a Ferrari? It has casting marks on the outside of it. Obvious lack of attention to detail, right? Or perhaps Ferrari knows that the marks make no difference to performance of the engine?
This is not in reference to el Godfather's statement. However, some people trash a CZ because they see tooling marks on the inside of the frame forward of the trigger (or similar places where tool marks are irrelevant). That is silly and not really any different than a teacher I knew who would have teen boys lift their pants cuffs so that she could ensure the correct socks were worn. For me, if I didn't see the socks because the pants covered them, they could have been anything as it made no difference. They could have had Budweiser or Corona on them and it would not have mattered if nobody saw them. If tool marks make no difference to function or external appearance, then I don't worry. CZ doesn't and neither does Ferrari.

As to the Duty, I can't say about the rear sight. If it is drifting from holster, that wouldn't work and would have to be corrected.
 
In suppport of chris in va, i would like to add that I have heard that CZ out sourced some work to labor cost effective countries- if true that may be a reason.
 
CZ makes a great gun. I think they're tops as a range gun. I owned a CZ Compact and SP01 Custom. The SP01 Custom was the best shootin' 9mm I've ever owned. Ergonommics are outstanding in the 75B platform.
 
I happen to be very fond of my CZ SP-01 Phantom, too. :)

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I've had several, and have several CZs. The only one that went away for any reason besides bad finances was the CZ -100 - what a trigger, yikes!
CZs have been rock solid for me, pistol, rifles and shotgun, and none have required any factory service. Only mods I've made is adding night sights to the Phantom,

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...and a folding adjustable rear sight for the CZ 527M carbine.

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Nothing else but ammo and cleaning has really been required. :)
 
I've found CZ's to be bullet proof. Excellent guns. As are the CZ patterned guns like the Tangfolio / Witness and IMI Jericho. The Witness being the most accurate of all of them!
 
75bd: incoming round jammed on outgoing case head.

Kadet: Firing pin/spring launched 10' when the retainer plate dropped out.

527: burrs in magazine caused feeding problems. CZ sent two new mags, same issue. Also won't light off harder Wolf primers.

Again, I figured out how to fix the glitch on all.
 
[75bd: incoming round jammed on outgoing case head.

Kadet: Firing pin/spring launched 10' when the retainer plate dropped out.

527: burrs in magazine caused feeding problems. CZ sent two new mags, same issue. Also won't light off harder Wolf primers.

Again, I figured out how to fix the glitch on all.
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No company is without flaws and imperfections. I have read where this person or that has had problems with this or that. I would say 1-3% sold or traded it ff and got something else. Most other did a little tweak on the problem and has been flawless since.
 
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