CZ TS 2 vs CZ Shadow 2

[Mauser lover]

I’d rather shoot 10mm than 9 Major, unless there are guns designed from the ground up to shoot 9 Major.

Both the CZ and Tanfoglio race guns are designed the same amount of distance from the ground for 9 Major as they are for .40 or 10mm. It’s not rocket science, it’s barely more than high school level physics. You balance the chamber pressure with the time it takes to unlock. The gun won’t explode if it is in battery. The dangerous problems happen when the gun unlocks too early and the pressure is still high enough to break the cartridge case.

 

[SwampWolf]

Quote: "TS 2 doesn't come with spare slide stops."

In this case, I only know what I read and I read a several page test report of the CZ TS 2 pistol, by writer James Tarr in last week's issue of Fire Arms News. In addition to a photo printed showing the three spare slide stops and the spare extractor, Mr. Tarr explained: "...(CZ has) provided three spare slide stops and a spare extractor. If this puzzles you, you are not a high-volume competition shooter-extractors and slide stops take a lot of abuse, and are the parts most likely to break first on a CZ. And I don't mean to imply the CZ is a weak gun-every gun breaks if you shoot it enough...The question is what will break first, and with CZs that is usually slide stops and extractors. With spares provided with the pistol, you won't have any down time."

 

[Nuclear]

Both the CZ and Tanfoglio race guns are designed the same amount of distance from the ground for 9 Major as they are for .40 or 10mm. It’s not rocket science, it’s barely more than high school level physics. You balance the chamber pressure with the time it takes to unlock. The gun won’t explode if it is in battery. The dangerous problems happen when the gun unlocks too early and the pressure is still high enough to break the cartridge case.

What versions of the CZ and Tanfoglio race guns are designed for 9 Major? Neither company’s website mentions models that are designed for 9 Major. I’ve only heard of 9 Major in the past year or so, as a wildcat loading, and it’s my understanding the chamber needs to be fully supported, the chamber lead must be deeper than SAAMI standard (some CZs notoriously have shorter than standard leads), the magazines need extra room front to back, due to seating the bullet further out, and the pressure is +P or more commonly +P+, which will cause more stress and wear, for example, on the slide stop.

 

[Zerodefect]

Checkmate and parrot are used primarily with 9mm major.

I did confirm that the ts2 has no extra slide stops. It comes with 3 mags, a slide stop pin for stop-less use, and a spare extractor.

The ts2 slide stop appears to be different than the non 2's.

 

[Zerodefect]

Doesn't matter what the barrel is set to. You have to ream it out with a manson reamer.

Open class is purely a custom class. You'll have to get your hands dirty, custom reloading, setting the bore with a reamer, and testing it with loosely crimped dummy rounds.

TS mags are 1.20". That's almost 1/8" longer than Bazer Brass 9mm. Round nosed. Some shooters use flat nosed bullets like .40 does. Forget if that was heavy subsonic ammo or race ammo though. (I run Limited division where I can run factory ammo for now)

Done right, the compensator should prevent excessive load on the slide stop.

 

[Mauser lover]

https://www.evergladesammo.com/9mm-major.html

Apparently you can get factory 9 Major ammo. Sometimes, anyway. I'm not sure I would buy ammo like that from someone else though. I think I trust me more than I trust them.

Also, 9mm Major is not necessarily loaded longer, even though I would say that it probably should be. It often (usually) is, to help with the timing and magnitude of the pressure peak, but because 9mm Major is not a standard loading, pretty much anything goes. It isn't loaded to meet a chamber pressure spec, like commercial ammo. It is loaded to meet the USPSA or IDPA rules for scoring in your specific gun. They measure "Power Factor" by multiplying the weight of the projectile by the velocity, and score is calculated accordingly.

 

[SwampWolf]

I did confirm that the ts2 has no extra slide stops.

I'm curious as to the source of the "confirmation" you reference as opposed to the aforementioned test report, along with the accompanying photo, regarding the three spare slide stops said to be included with the Model TS 2? I doubt that the author of the report, James Tarr, made the story up; making me wonder why there's a difference in the accounts of the stories.

 

[Zerodefect]

I own one. Just had to dig the case out of my shelfing.

And the store I buy from doesn't root around in the boxes like bumpkin stores do.

It's a new beefier slide stop on mine. Its possible that the one in the article was an early model with the old stops.

It does include the stopless pin. Which was a nice touch.

 

[SwampWolf]

Its possible that the one in the article was an early model with the old stops.

No, the cited pistol being evaluated is the latest CZ S2. Gun magazines don't usually run tests on old guns.

 

[Mauser lover]

Is it impossible that *Dave* forgot on Monday morning that he had switched from packing three slide stops to one? After all, he only was briefed on the new model on Friday afternoon...

This is only hypothetical, but it would explain the discrepancy.

 

[SwampWolf]

So my lgs is selling TS 2 pistols for $1399.99 (down from $1,699.99) and they give military vets a discount. I'm tempted but for no good reason; I don't compete anymore and I have more than a few pistols chambered in 9mm. Is it so wrong to want something just "because"? I bought a new Python revolver recently for just such a "reason".
What's the difference(s) between the CZ Orange and the TS 2?

 

[sevt_chevelle]

The Orange models are hand fitted, factory tuned triggers and barrel bushings.

The TSO is based on the older tac sports.

The new TS2, is basically a gen 2. If I remember right, CZ said they took the TS and blended it with the Shadow 2 and got the TS2.
IMO, the TS2 feels very shadow like, slightly smaller frame.

The current TS2 is not hand fit, no factory tuned trigger, not optics ready. You would have to step up to the green or bronze models but CZ isn't releasing them into the states.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

DP

 

[greyling22]

Any opinions as to how well Tanfoglio pistols compare? I've heard that they are way less expensive than their CZ "equivalents".

I was able to compare my tangfoglio witness elite match (older version with the super sight and no rail) to my buddy's original tacsport. This was 10 years ago, but I remember thinking the cz was about 15% better in every way, but cost 2x as much. While I liked the ts better, it wasn't enough to make me even consider upgrading. Since then, the witnesses have gone up in price, and the ts2 is a better gun than the ts1, which makes the math less clear. If budget is a concern, I'd look at a sar k12 sport these days.