cz75 pre B model

[texas82008]

Hello,newbie here,does anyone know if 450.00 is a good price for a pre b cz75 nib,92 manufacture stamp,comes with 2 ,
15 rd mags,cleaning brush.
thanks for any help

 

[illini52]

That's not too bad.

 

[mattk]

pretty good for a pre b. I got one with one mag no box for 275 a couple years ago but it had some pretty bare spots in finish.

 

[CZF]

$450 is the starting point for an unmodified Pre-B in excellent shape.
They are not as abundant as they once were. I prefer them over a 75B, even the new 75 RETRO.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Curious as to what exactly is different on the "pre-B" models and what ameks them more desireable than current ones. Kinda wondering what mine is now.

 

[atblis]

$450 sounds a bit high

They aren't super rare.

A new CZ75B can be had for ~$350

IMO a CZ75B is a better gun. No issues finding mags for it, better sights, you can get parts for it, I think they are actually better made.

However, if you specifically want a PreB then ...

 

[Walt Sherrill]

A NIB pre-B for $450 - $550 is pretty much the going price. I've owned several, and sold a couple for more than $550.

What's different about a pre-B and B?

The pre-b has a rounded trigger guard. More attractive to most eyes.
The pre-B doesn't have a firing pin block.
The pre-B generally has a much better trigger, but there are exceptions.
The pre-B has a spur hammer, which can bite some hands.
The NIB pre-B doesn't have a warranty.
The pre-Bs have different sights than the modern versions, and finding replacement sights can be difficult. (They use a narrower dovetail on the rear sight, and the front sight is staked, with no dovetail.)

There are a few parts that are gettng rare for the older pre-B, (from the early 80's) most associated with the safety. Those parts almost NEVER break or wear out.

Many parts are compatible with the current gun, but a few are different (including hammer widths, depending on how old, etc.)

Some pre-B are "transitionals" with squared trigger guards and rounded rather than spur hammers. They look just like the current 75B, but don't have the firing pin block.

The current 75B with the firing pin block is harder to tune for a good SA trigger, but a good gunsmith with dies can do it.

Are the pre-B's worth the price? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'd rather buy a NIB 75B and pay to have the trigger improved by a good CZ gunsmith. Or I'd buy an 85 Combat (which is pretty much a pre-B with a warranty.) But some folks REALLY LIKE the pre-Bs and are willing to pay for them. To each his own.

 

[schmeky]

I think $450.00, especially with the magazines is a very good price. I bought a NIB Pre-B CZ-75 and my son bought a NIB CZ-75B at the same time. These are my observations based on shooting the 2 side by side at the same time:

The Pre-B hammer cocking in SA is like silk, smooth and light.
The B is a little more coarse and the ring hammer is little harder to get to.

My Pre-B has a better DA and SA pull than the B, but this can vary.

The accuarcy from either is a toss up, i.e., excellent out of the box for the money.

The Pre-B does have more resale value, in my opinion.

Reliability from these 2 guns has been perfect, however, less than 200 rounds have been fired from each.

I personally prefer the Pre-B over the B, but this is again, subjective.

 

[gopguy]

The CZ 75 pistol and all its variants are the most underrated pistols for the great value they are. One day I think these will be better appreciated. I have had some early ones that have shot match grade accuracy with fixed sights. I love them and buy every reasonably priced early ones I can find.

There was a time in the 1980s people paid scalpers prices to get these then hard to get gems from behind the Iron Curtain. I well remember watching a pal pay $700 for one in 1985. He still has it and the fact prices have changed has not depressed him at all. He still thinks it is one of the best purchases he ever made.

 

[texas82008]

thanks every one for the replys,a friend of mine has an importer friend that is bringing 50 in to the us,they were for Austrian customs,but were never issued.My friend said the importer said they would be around 450.oo if he sold them,on market, but could be more if he sold them to distributer,and they in turn sold them. should know more in a cpl of weeks....thanks

 

[atblis]

I could see that

$450 if they are NIB. $450 for a used one is high in my book. I did pay $450 for a LNIB or maybe even NIB blued 86 last year, but it had all original paperwork/box and came with 8 factory mags.

 

[texas82008]

OK guys AIM Surplus http://www.aimsurplus.com/ will shortly have avalable Pre-B CZ75's so if your interested watch their web sight for details. I would guess some time next week. They are the sole soarce and will have only 50 pieces available.

 

[Buck Nekkid]

It's gonna be real interestin' to see how many folks will pony up $450 for a pistol with no warranty and parts as scarce as hen's teeth.

If'n it were in the $350-$375 range then I think I'd take a shot at one, but for $450 I can get just about any CZ 75 that's out there, with a warranty and guaranteed repairs at CZ-USA.

Just my dos pesos

 

[Walt Sherrill]

It will, indeed, be interesting.

I've had several pre-Bs, and they're great guns. But I'd rather have a CZ-75B and pay a good (CZ) gunsmith to do an action job. The cost would be about the same, and the gun would be warrantied.

The only parts on the pre-B that are a real problem are associated with the safety lever on the oldest models. I think the ones coming in with the AIM shipment are the newer design (transitional models) Some hammers are slightly different, too, but that's not likely a problem with the AIM guns, either.

The real aggravation with the pre-Bs is gettng good mags -- as only true factory mags (older ones, not the new 16-rounders) work right.

 

[texas82008]

The AIM pistols are not the "transitional" model to my understanding. If I am correct from what I have read the transitional models were manufactured in 93 & 94 and sport a square trigger guard. AIM's pistols were manufactured in 92 and have the rounded trigger guard and spur hammer. As I said before a friend of mine knows the importer that is bringing them in and sent me a couple of pictures. See what you guys think.

 

[HankC]

AIM pre-B? I just checked their website, I don't see any mention of pre-B? What price?

 

[CZguy]

AIM pre-B? I just checked their website, I don't see any mention of pre-B? What price?

You may want to read this thread. All of your questions have been answered.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Not a transitional, in that sense -- I misstated what I was trying to convey. But transitional in another sense: newer design features, including the changed safety, a narrower hammer probably with the half-cock notch (not present in the older ones), no short rails on the frame, and probably with the slightly improved (more current-looking) grips.

The original poster mentioned the round trigger guard. The finish may be an early polycoat rather than enamel, and that's an improvement, too. The current polycoat is much, much more durable.

the trie "Transitionals" started about that time or a little later, with the changes mentioned above AND the shift to a new sight dovetail system and the squared-off trigger guard.

 

[robertbank]

As Walt knows I have a PreB CZ 85 Combat made in 1988 with a squared off trigger guard and a spur hammer. Now that is a transitional!

Walt is correct on the mags. I took a dremel to my mag well and now can use newer CZ 75 mags which is all that is ncessary for my gun to make the newer mags work. My Tanfoglio L Model will work with CZ 75 mgs, both old and new versions, however the slide won't lock back using some of the mags when the last round is fired.

Take Care