D.C. gun owner saves boy from pitbull, now investigated for "discharging firearm"

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But if they commended the guy, more people would follow his footsteps, which would portray guns in a good light which would result in more widespread ownership which would prove that guns promote a peaceful society. From the governments prospective, war is peace, so thats a unwanted consequence and so by demonizing the guy, we can make others afraid to defend themselves and others and thereby keep a need for a big brother.
 
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c4v3man said:
Great, another story proclaiming that pitbulls are attack dogs...

Dogs are what you make of them. Pitbulls aren't inherently evil or aggressive.

That being said, I agree on the 1st Amendment defense above. Sounds like a bulletproof argument to me with precedent.
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Why does it seem that pit bills are all you see any longer? When attacked by a pit bull, you are in a whole world of hurt. One of the biggest reasons I carry daily is because of the risk of pit bulls.

Sorry, I have no love for these mutts whatsoever. Just my opinion, but shucks, look at the data, pit bulls are responsible for the majority of fatal dog attacks in the US. They ain't no joke when they take you on, especially when the you is a small kid.
 
Pit bulls aren't the problem, abusive owners are the problem. All dogs can attack, but abused and/or neglected dogs are more likely to become agressive. If you look at the demographics of who likes to own pit bulls due to their "tough reputation/appearance", and you'll find largely irresponsible, lower income demographic who are unable to provide proper care and living conditions to a dog. They also largely keep them as living alarm systems outside with little interaction other than feeding them.

The concept of pit bulls being attack dogs is nonsense dredged up by the same media that demonizes "assault weapons".

Note: I do not, nor have I ever owned a pit bull, but I have worked and been around several of them that are the gentlest dogs you'll ever know. I've also experienced some more aggressive pitbulls, and can see where the problem actually lies... the owners.
 
Well...I just learned something from that article. I learned that all these years I, myself have been in violation of the law! I have owned dozens & dozens of firearms and have never had even 1 of them registered. :uhoh:

And that possesion of an un-registered firearm or ammo is punishable by up to 1 year in prison! :what:

Guys...Guys! please help me out here. Where/how can I get all my guns & ammo registered before I gets into trubble?
 
c4v3man said:
Pit bulls aren't the problem, abusive owners are the problem. All dogs can attack, but abused and/or neglected dogs are more likely to become agressive. If you look at the demographics of who likes to own pit bulls due to their "tough reputation/appearance", and you'll find largely irresponsible, lower income demographic who are unable to provide proper care and living conditions to a dog. They also largely keep them as living alarm systems outside with little interaction other than feeding them.

The concept of pit bulls being attack dogs is nonsense dredged up by the same media that demonizes "assault weapons".

Note: I do not, nor have I ever owned a pit bull, but I have worked and been around several of them that are the gentlest dogs you'll ever know. I've also experienced some more aggressive pitbulls, and can see where the problem actually lies... the owners.
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No doubt the interaction with owners is the most problematic, the difficulty is their ability to inflict such severe damage.

No, I don't want a PBB (Pit Bull Ban), I just don't like these creatures. Yes, I have seen dogs that are "gentle." One of our neighbors has two. I talk to her quite a bit while she is walking two of them all the time. She kept assuring me over and over that they are gentle. One time, she asked me to step back a bit because one of them was a little nervous.

So much for so called gentle dogs. Many owners are on the list of these fatal pit bull attacks. Just sayin, I don't like these beasts that seem to be everywhere now especially since I have young grandchildren.
 
Just sayin, I don't like these beasts that seem to be everywhere now especially since I have young grandchildren.
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Many people feel the same way about guns. As a dog owner, you need to ensure the safety of others, and that sometimes means being overprotective, especially in our litigious society. Your neighbor asking you to back off due to her dog being nervous doesn't indicate whether or not the dog was/was not gentle.

And again, I would suggest that if her dog felt nervous around you, that she neglected to properly socialize the dog, which can and does happen to every breed. If anything, people only judge pitbulls because they can cause harm when poorly trained, unlike small dogs like Chiwahwa's which often have even worse temperments, but are dismissed/excused because they are unlikely to do serious harm. And pitbulls "roaming the streets, looking for children to maul" is a symptom of a society that doesn't take personal responsibility for the care and control of said dogs.

I'm a motorcyclist, and am wary of any off-leash dog, regardless of breed.
 
skeeziks said:
Well...I just learned something from that article. I learned that all these years I, myself have been in violation of the law! I have owned dozens & dozens of firearms and have never had even 1 of them registered. :uhoh:

And that possession of an un-registered firearm or ammo is punishable by up to 1 year in prison! :what:

Guys...Guys! please help me out here. Where/how can I get all my guns & ammo registered before I gets into trouble?
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D.C. government likes to trip up residents w/ bad, out dated or incomplete info. See the article below as a D.C. reporter takes quite a while to get all of the info so she can purchase.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/jul/12/miller-new-guide-getting-gun-dc/

chuck
 
Statistically, German Shepherds and Labradors are responsible for more deaths and maulings in the US than Pit Bulls.

Pit Bulls have become a popular breed, just like the AR-15 has become a popular rifle. More pit bulls will naturally equate to more pit bill incidents, just like more AR-15s will equate to more AR-15 related incidents. The media demonizes the breed of dog just like it demonizes the brand of rifle.
 
c4v3man said:
Many people feel the same way about guns. As a dog owner, you need to ensure the safety of others, and that sometimes means being overprotective, especially in our litigious society. Your neighbor asking you to back off due to her dog being nervous doesn't indicate whether or not the dog was/was not gentle.
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I have never heard of any firearm that needs a rabies shot, or distemper, or whatever. I have never heard anyone say, "My gun was the nicest gun, it never ever hurt anyone; I don't know what possessed it to just up and attack my neighbor's kids for no reason whatsoever."

Can's say the same about a dog.
 
ExTank said:
I have never heard of any firearm that needs a rabies shot, or distemper, or whatever. I have never heard anyone say, "My gun was the nicest gun, it never ever hurt anyone; I don't know what possessed it to just up and attack my neighbor's kids for no reason whatsoever."

Can's say the same about a dog.
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Just because someone can say it about their dog, doesn't make it so.
 
Sam Cade said:
Most dogs reported as "pit-bulls" aren't.
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But the term "pit bull" scares the public now--always the self-fulfilling goal of the media. It may not be enough for when the nanny state tries to confiscate them, however--by then I figure the media will have started using "assault canine" instead.
 
But, to get back on topic, has anyone heard any updates on the original incident?
 
Sam Cade said:
Puhhhh.. leeze.


mutt-Labrador-Retriever-Border-Collie-mix.jpg

Most dogs reported as "pit-bulls" aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...es#Fatalities_reported_from_1988_through_2012


:rolleyes:
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With all due respect to such a "cute" looking dog, pit bulls and Rots cause the most fatalities, and yes, I have sources for that statement.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

If you like your mut, so be it, not my cup of tea. Just my opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.

Take care,
 
USAF_Vet said:
Statistically, German Shepherds and Labradors are responsible for more deaths and maulings in the US than Pit Bulls.

Pit Bulls have become a popular breed, just like the AR-15 has become a popular rifle. More pit bulls will naturally equate to more pit bill incidents, just like more AR-15s will equate to more AR-15 related incidents. The media demonizes the breed of dog just like it demonizes the brand of rifle.
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Do you have a source for that statement. I see USAF Vet. I am a doc, so I saw the other end of the stick so to speak. In any case,

Pits and Rots are at the top of the list in studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

In the United States, pit bull-type dogs and rottweilers were involved in more than half of 238 dog-attack deaths; they were followed by German shepherds, husky-type dogs, and malamutes in the number of deaths caused (5). However, as pit bull-type dogs gradually, and almost singularly, came under legislation in several Canadian jurisdictions, this breed-type’s ranking in the present retrospective study cannot be compared easily with the ranking from the earlier US-based study. In nonfatal aggressive incidents, the pit bull did rank highest in 2000 and 2001 (2.84 bite incidents per 100 licensed dogs of this breed type) in 1 Canadian municipality (Edmonton, Alberta) (12). Other breeds that followed in this municipality included the rottweiler (1.60 bite incidents per 100 licensed), Akita (1.52), mastiff (1.47), Dalmatian (1.40), and Great Dane (1.21) (12). The rottweiler, by causing 21 of the 72 non-fatal injuries attributed to dogs from known breeds, ranked 1st in a hospital-based summary of dog bites in children (9).
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc2387261/

A human dog bite-related fatality generally refers to death proximately caused by trauma from a dog's teeth and jaws. According to The Humane Society of the United States, more than 300 individuals died of dog attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1996. Children <12 and elders >70 years represent the typical victims. Pit bull-type dogs, Rottweilers, and German Shepherds constitute the majority of canines implicated in these fatalities.
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http://journals.lww.com/amjforensic...elated_Fatalities__A_15_Year_Review_of.2.aspx
 
"Pit bull-type dogs"

I have to laugh at that. What does that even mean? Any dog with a square head or brindle coloration?

Demonized cosmetic features. :scrutiny: Where have I heard that before?




You know,People have mistaken my 110lb, ugly (and slightly grumpy) Chessie Retriever truck-dog for a pit bull....
 
Alaska444 said:
Do you have a source for that statement. I see USAF Vet. I am a doc, so I saw the other end of the stick so to speak. In any case,

Pits and Rots are at the top of the list in studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
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I had read it but couldn't find the source. Looking for it, I came across the CDC. Link you posted and was just coming back to edit my post.

In any case, "Pit Bull" type dogs can include virtually anything, because the Pit Bull is a misnomer, much like "assault weapon", many breeds from the Stafordshire Terrier to various mutt mixes can be, and are, included under the "Pit Bull" umbrella.

I raise, breed, train and show American Bulldogs, which some nit wits have tried to classify as "Pit Bulls". So really, to say that Pit bulls are responsible for xx% of all dog bites is a lot like saying pistols are used in xx% of shootings, where pistols refers to Colts, Hi Points, Smith and Wessons, Glocks, Rugers and Springfields.


Not a Pit Bull
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Most of a dogs bad temperment comes from bad socialization when young, bad breeding, and no training or respect for humans. The reason pit bulls or other dogs with "tough" reputations attack people more is because there are many owners who want a mean and tough dog. When properly raised and trained, pitbulls can be great dogs for single owners(due to the protective tempermant, they are still not a family or more than one owner dog) . If labradors where considered nasty dogs, I'm sure there would be many more ill raised spike collared labs running around mauling people. The interesting thing is badly raised and neglected people and dogs both are more likely to have violent characters.
 
Sam Cade said:
Thank you for proving my point.:cool:


That cute looking dog isn't a pit bull.

Not Even Remotely.


It is a Labrador/Border Collie mix.
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Sorry, what is the point of your charade? I called the dog in your picture a "mut." Sorry, I didn't call it a pit bull. Read my post. What is it that you believe you proved?

If folks want to question my sources go for it. I stick by the data, pit bulls and rots cause the most fatal attacks, and pit bulls the most attacks in the US.

In addition, your own link shows that pit bull "types" have been the number one source of fatal dog attacks in the last decade. Rots are number two from your source.

Once again, not everyone trains their dogs well as the OP story proves. Once you get latched onto by a pit bull, you are in big trouble. If folks wish to disprove that go for it, but the data is clear. If you have some published studies to the contrary, go for it.
 
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The primary reason pitbulls are so dangerous is because of a segment of the population attracted to them.
They are stout strong dogs, but so are some other breeds that would be just as dangerous.
The difference is plenty of young men want a weaponlike dog and go for a pitbull because that is the breed they associate with a weapon.
This includes both gang members and hip hop culture thugs, as well as just young naive macho men that give little training and so end up with an out of control dog that just happens to also be strong.

So it is more of a cultural thing.
The breed people associate with being a dangerous weapon is the breed guys that want a dangerous dog are attracted to. Such guys include a higher percentage of bad owners.

If such animals didnt exist and we had a culture that made mastiffs out to be dangerous tough dogs, they would have the same segment of men attracted to them and be responsible for most attacks.


Beyond just young men is the segment of the population that gets the dog they think is dangerous as a guard dog. Once again it is the association with being a dangerous dog that causes such people to seek out and obtain the breed. People looking for a dog that can be a weapon.
A higher percentage of people that get a dog solely as a guard dog also make poor owners percentage wise. Motivated less out of wanting a loving companion and more out of wanting something tough to deter or defend.

The belief that pit bulls are dangerous dogs is as a result what actually makes them dangerous dogs.

(That said a terrier is not something you want things smaller than itself around, without extensive socializing. Pit bulls being essentially a large terrier are something I wouldn't want around small children, but plenty of other breeds without the pitbull stigma would be just as undesirable to have around small children.)
 
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Gee, "pit bull-type" dogs are not pit bulls.

Are military-type rifles actually military rifles?

Notice any similarity in language? How well researched is the CDC data? Is it anything like Kellerman's CDC firearms research?
 
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