Decocking my CZ75 - release the trigger for safety

[Dr_2_B]

When decocking my CZ75, I make a habit of releasing the trigger (allowing it to move forward) as I lower the hammer carefully, having blocked it with my opposite thumb. I release the trigger because I am under the impression that the gun is prevented from firing if the trigger is not residing in the fully squeezed position.

Am I right about this?

 

[armoredman]

Trigger block safety, yes, in a B model, or any Compact/85/SP01 model.

 

[wilkersk]

You know, I shoot my CZ75B in IPSC "production" divison. This requires me to make ready and holster from Condition 2. When I decock, I just hold the hammer and squeeze the trigger just barely enough to feel the sear disengage. Then, I release the trigger and lower the hammer.

after a solid year of competing and practicing with this pistol, its so automatic, I don't even think about it. Haven't had an AD yet.

-----added-----

Almost forgot, gotta watch out for the half-cock notch. I guess its more simultaneous than separate motions.

 

[Calhoun]

Totally safe for it to sit on the half cock notch as well.

 

[Birdmang]

Is a CZ75B safe to carry in a holster with one in the chamber, cocked, and on safety?

 

[GunTech]

Is a CZ75B safe to carry in a holster with one in the chamber, cocked, and on safety?

Like a Browning High Power? Perfectly safe.

 

[armoredman]

Absolutely.

 

[wilkersk]

Totally safe for it to sit on the half cock notch as well.

Safe, but not legal for Production Division IPSC

 

[Norinco982lover]

I would be very careful when decocking the 75b! It is really not recommended... I would get the 75bd if you really need to decock it.

~Norinco

p.s. I didn't like the manual safety so I ended up trading for an XD...the 75b was an excellent gun tho.

 

[Pilot]

I manually decock my 75B all the time. If your worried while decocking just put your thumb in front of the hammer and point in a safe direction. I do the same thing with my BHP and 1911.

 

[armoredman]

Did it for 13+ years with a Witness 40, no problems, just NEVER EVER take it for granted.

 

[M&PVolk]

They don't offer the compact in .40 with a decocker. I would love a decocker, but I don't want a 9mm

 

[BlindJustice]

IF anybody else goes to the trouble of reading the manual, it's supposed to be lowered to the "Safety Notch" which is what CZ labels the half cock
position - for a Double Action first shot trigger pull.

I lower the hammer on my CZ 75B by pulling the trigger, using my left
index finger to hold it, until i get my trigger finger out of the trigger guard/off
the trigger then lower the hammer which will stop at the safety notch.

The CZ 75B with the thumb safety is also capable of being carried "Condition One" or as they say Cocked and Locked with a round in the champer just like the Browning HI Power of 1911. This is not
possible with the 75BD model which of course has no thumb safety.

Randall

 

[mbott]

The question of decocking a DA/SA CZ comes up quite often, and the absolute best answer I ever encountered was posted on the Handguns and Ammo board by JayPee. It reads:

"Hi Y'all,

I guess I'm a minority of one. Like I said earlier, I've been decocking these guns on loaded chambers safely for sixteen years. I will be the first one to admit that learning to shoot these pistols defensively is easier and less complicated if you eliminate the double action drills and strictly use the gun as a single action. However, as a trainer, I have every objection under the stars to the premise that a man should carry a gun for survival purposes without knowing every possible way to fire that gun effectively and to render it safe. And when we simply say "carry it cocked and locked" we are effectively telling him he doesn't have to learn the double action half of that equation, and we have done him a terrible disservice. The hard fact is that if you are going to learn how to use the double action CZ's with sear blocking safeties effectively and within the full range of their capabilities, you are going to have to learn how to decock them on a live round safely and how to fire them effectively double action. If a man is ill at ease doing this, then he should reconsider his purchase and look into a double action CZ equipped with a decocker or a single action CZ.

Teaching new folks how to half-survive isn't what we need to be teaching them."

The entire thread can be read here:

http://handgunsandammo.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Discussion&thread=735&page=1

--
Mike

 

[BlindJustice]

mbott aka Mike

Great post, for those who think a Decocke3r is the solution
and don't have the inner confidnce or intelligance to
KNOW THIR WEAPON or the possibilty they might have to adapt to something else.

Randall

 

[ilsrwy27]

Probably a stupid question but since we're on the subject...

Can you safely carry the decocker models (like the CZ75BD / P-01/ SP-01 Tactical) with the hammer half cocked?

 

[rcmodel]

Any gun with a decocker should only be carried with the hammer in the position the decocker leaves it in.

In other words, if the decocker drops the hammer to the safety notch, thats where it should remain.

If the decocker drops it all the way down, that's where it should remain.

It is decocked to a designed safe position, and manually moving the hammer to a different position would defeat some part of the safety system.

rc

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Safe, but not legal for Production Division IPSC

Lol, who wrote that rule? Glock or some other "safe action pistol" manufacturer.

Thankfully my club lets me shoot production with my CZ cocked and locked and none of the silly rules that favor safe action pistols in that division.

 

[wilkersk]

Lol, who wrote that rule? Glock or some other "safe action pistol" manufacturer.

Thankfully my club lets me shoot production with my CZ cocked and locked and none of the silly rules that favor safe action pistols in that division.

IMHO, that's like taking a "Mulligan" at golf. Fine for a gentlemens' game. But, it shouldn't be allowed in match play.

I've gotta admit, when I got "bumped" to limited during the 1st stage of a match for drawing my CZ cocked and locked, I had to see the rule in print for myself.

I've since learned to live with the DA first shot. It just isn't a problem.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

my cz is single action, and you take a hit in any other division except production for 9mm

it also excludes the BHP in 9mm which is completely rediculous because its probably the 2nd most influential autolader in history behind the 1911

I can understand guns with decockers having to decock before holstering, but if a gun is designed to be safely carried cocked and locked it should be able to

Whoever wrote those rules must have shot glocks lol.

 

[1SOW]

IPSC and USPSA require pistols with hammers normally to be loaded and hammer down at the start in the "Production" division. SA only is not allowed in Production.

The same pistols can be shot in other divisions such as "Limited" in the cocked and locked position. Limited does not restrict the pistols to "production"/stock configuration so competition is steep.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

IPSC and USPSA require pistols with hammers normally to be loaded and hammer down at the start in the "Production" division. SA only is not allowed in Production.

The same pistols can be shot in other divisions such as "Limited" in the cocked and locked position. Limited does not restrict the pistols to "production"/stock configuration so competition is steep.

I know the rules, I just dont agree with them.

Forcing pistols with hammers to start hammer down favors striker fired pistols imo.

That and its absurd that the BHP is excluded from the production division because its a single action design, even though its been around far longer then almost every pistol on the "approved" list.

 

[ilsrwy27]

Any gun with a decocker should only be carried with the hammer in the position the decocker leaves it in.

In other words, if the decocker drops the hammer to the safety notch, thats where it should remain.

If the decocker drops it all the way down, that's where it should remain.

It is decocked to a designed safe position, and manually moving the hammer to a different position would defeat some part of the safety system.

rc

Makes sense, thanks for the clear explanation rc!

 

[Fumbler]

In a 75B, is the firing pin block still blocking the firing pin if you lower the hammer on a 75B to it's fully rested state?

 

[doubs43]

In a 75B, is the firing pin block still blocking the firing pin if you lower the hammer on a 75B to it's fully rested state?

With the trigger forward, yes.

I'm amazed at the frequency of the question about lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. I've been doing exactly that for more than 50 years - many thousands of times - without a single mishap. My CZ-75B and Witness .45 are only the latest pistols in a long line of external hammer pistols I've owned. Like any well practiced routine, it's almost automatic. It's certainly safer than driving a car and who here thinks twice about that?

If the thought of lowering the hammer makes you nervous, practice on an empty chamber until you're comfortable with the procedure. I hold the pistol in my hand and place my other hand over the slide while using my thumb (pointing backwards) to block the hammer. Squeeze the trigger, lower the hammer and it's done.