Deer and hog vs buck shot

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I'm looking at deer season with my shot gun this year, hunting deer and hogs with buck shot. Wondering which buck shot and how effective it is at which distance. My father and I would be hunting, one is a stoger under over 12 gauge and the other with a maverick 88 12 gauge. Right now I have 2 3/4. 9 pellets buck shot.

Will that do the job at 50 yards or less or maybe more?

Is double buck better than the buck shot I have?

Do they make a 3 inch buck shot is it worth it for the bigger bang?

Is the 20 gauge as usable as the 12 gauge
 
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I hunted some with buckshot in my youth. Never got a chance to kill anything with it, but have fired enough of it at targets to not feel comfortable much past 30 yards. I suppose some loads in some guns will pattern well enough at longer ranges to be effective but that was my experience.

I'd use 2 3/4" 00 buck if I were to use it again.

I've never fired any of the 3" buckshot loads, but 2 3/4" shells will exceed 300 WM recoil in guns as light as you're using. 3" shells will be even worse.
 
If your guns can safely accept the 3" shells, they will provide more payload (additional pellets) and/or more velocity and, of course, more recoil.

Sounds like what you have is "double ought" or 00 buck. A typical 2 3/4" 12ga shell would contain 9 pellets of 00 buck which are each 0.33" in diameter. You could go to larger pellets, that would be "triple ought" 000 buck which are 0.36" pellets. Of course your payload (number of pellets) will decrease because fewer of them will fit into the shotshell. Figure on about eight 000 pellets in a 2 3/4" shell and maybe 10 pellets in a 3" shell.

The larger pellets are also heavier, and that means penetration will tend to be better than with smaller pellets. That said, I would think 00 would provide decent penetration out to the ranges that it should be used on big game.

If you go with .20ga, you'll probably have to go with something smaller than 00 buck. I don't think anyone loads 00 buck in 20ga.

To determine the effective range, you're going to have to pattern the load you pick in both guns at various ranges. I'd say that in terms of pattern size, your effective range will be the distance at which you and the gun can consistently put 3/4 of the pellets on a paper plate.

To stretch the range, you can choose the copper plated pellets as they tend to hold a tighter pattern--I think Federal and Hornady have some loadings that have a good reputation in that respect. Just keep in mind that shotgun pellets are not very good projectiles and will lose energy rapidly as they go downrange compared to a more aerodynamic projectile like a bullet. So even if you get a very good pattern at, say 50 yards you need to keep in mind that you're still talking about "0.33 caliber bullets" that each weighs only 54 grains. By 50 yards, the energy has dropped to about half of what it was at the muzzle.
 
Each shotgun or barrel will need to be tested and patterned with each brand and type of ammunition to be used. What works in brand A barrel, may not work at all in brand B. That's the strange thing about shotguns. Even two seemingly identical shotgun barrels from the same manufacturer with the same chokes will more than likely not pattern the same using brand X buckshot, one may like it and one may not, or both like it or neither, no guarantees.
 
Like kudo said you will have to pattern your shotgun with several different brands and types of buckshot to see what your shotgun likes and how far it will keep a good pattern . Usually 40 yards is about the max for a good pattern . It will still kill much further than that , but I would not take a shot much further than I patterned my gun . There are a lot of after market chokes like BuckKicker and Trulock that make special buckshot chokes that I have used that were better than my factory chokes .

I have killed a lot of deer with my old 2 3/4" fix full choke , using 00Bk . A 20ga. will kill a deer just as dead as a 12ga. and a lot of kids kill their first deer with one , just pattern it to see what it will do . I now use a 3 1/2" gun and use Remington 3 1/2" 00BK in it , with a custom full choke . I use that because that is the combination it patterns best out to 40 yards .
 
I use to hunt in a state where in many places you could only use buckshot. My daughter killed a nice buck at a measured distance of 60 yards with 12ga triple ought. It was longer than I would have shot but when I asked why she took the shot she said "I knew if I didn't I would not have a chance'". Today she still uses a Rem 1137 12ga with 000X buckshot.
 
I usually used # 1 Buck for deer 2 3/4". For hogs I would go to # 0 B or the #00 Buck you mentioned you had. Never cared for 3" magnums personally. As mentioned, your range will be limited by what your pattern looks like with each specific load in each specific gun.

20 gage is mostly limited to # 3 Buck. It was effective on a deer at 35 yds with 26" barrell and full choke. Somewhere between 40-50 yds. is the range limit for my 20 gage with loads I use. I would prefer something heavier for hogs.
 
There are factory loaded #1 buck 20 gauge loads sold under the brand spartan. I’m also thinking that if one hand loads, some good 3” #1 buck loads could be cooked up.

The 12 is definitely the better choice for buckshot and other large pellet loads, though.

If I was hunting an area that restricted me to buckshot, I’d be inclined to find a used 10 gauge and reloading gear and start experimenting with #0000 buck. Go big or go home, right?
 
Any reason your not using slugs? Out of a 12ga I always had great luck with Winchester super x 1 oz slugs. Cheap and never let me down. Puts a big hole in all the deer I have shot with it.
 
I'm looking at deer season with my shot gun this year, hunting deer and hogs with buck shot. Wondering which buck shot and how effective it is at which distance. My father and I would be hunting, one is a stoger under over 12 gauge and the other with a maverick 88 12 gauge. Right now I have 2 3/4. 9 pellets buck shot.

Will that do the job at 50 yards or less or maybe more?

Is double buck better than the buck shot I have?

Do they make a 3 inch buck shot is it worth it for the bigger bang?

Is the 20 gauge as usable as the 12 gauge

With buckshot you would need to know how it patterns in your gun. I think after 30 yards you won't want to take shots with it because the pellets will be spread out too much.

Honestly, unless you are needing to make very quick shots within 15-25 yards I don't see the benefit of buckshot. A slug will kill them more reliably and within 50 yards target acquisition will not be a problem.

If I were to hunt with buckshot I would use Federal Premium Plated 000 buck or Winchester Double-X 15 pellet 00 buck. I am fat, if these recoil too much for you, you can use the 2 3/4.

There are conflicting reports on whether buckshot will work on hogs. A slug would be more reliable. The boar's shield is like a rubber tire an inch or thicker ... do you trust the 00 buckshot pellet to go through it and penetrate well? I don't. Sure it will work "a lot of the time". You put a hard 1oz slug in their shoulder, it will do the job well. If I were concerned with quick shots within 15 yards in thick brush I'd consider plated 000 or 00 though.

I didn't see anything last time I went ... but I've been using Brennekke Green Lightning slugs for hogs. They are made of a harder alloy (they won't fragment or expand) and are 1.25oz. So they will do the job. For deer they will almost definitely pass through but it's still a .70 caliber hole.

For deer season I'll use Brennekke Knockout slugs probably.
 
I would recommend against the buckshot for hogs. I hunted them with dogs for many years. And more than once have we been skinning out a boar and discoverd buckshot embedded in its shoulder shield that had healed over. That cartilage can be more than one inch thick, depending on the age of the boar.
 
I have killed a few pigs and two deer with buckshot

One deer was a fluke, I was 12 and dumb and tried a shot at 60yds, one pellet in the ear, one in the lungs and one in the rump were all I got out of a 3” shell

I shot another deer at 30 yds, nice pattern in the chest cavity

I shot a few pigs at close range, worked well

I would pattern the gun, read reviews first then try out the top three or four loads in each gun you intend to use, do a patteen at 25/30yds and again at 50.

That will tell you how well it will work,

I shot some cheap sellier and bellot buck the other day and at 25yds the pattern was 2ft wide and 2 for tall, so one that you might miss the vitals

Some Remington 00buck was a 12” group at 25yds and would work well on critters out to that distance
 
I would not use buckshot under any circumstance for hogs. Slugs work excellent on hogs both in 20 and 12 gauge and extend the range you can shoot considerably. I prefer slugs for deer too. 12 gauge buckshot I’d use 00 or 000. 20 gauge - the largest I could find.
 
Buckshot works pretty well on deer. I've taken quite a few of them - mostly with 12ga 00 3" but when I was younger I did get one with a 20ga #3 3" as well. Here in SC when using dogs to drive deer buckshot is the only ammo legally allowed (the deer are often running so you're basically "wing shooting").

For the most part as other posters have mentioned, limit your shots to 30-ish yards. All deer that I've shot with buckshot have been that close or closer (probably most of them were 15-20 yards) and they went down almost instantly.

As to loads. If your gun will handle it, when hunting, I ALWAYS go for 3" buckshot. It's just more pellets. 2 3/4" works fine and if I take out an older gun that won't shoot 3" then I don't worry too much, but there's no reason to handicap yourself if you don't need to. I also pretty much only shoot 00, but IMHO anything over #1 should be good.

Also, I only use buckshot on those hunts where I have to. If I'm hunting from a stand or a blind, I'll take a rifle every time.
 
As my first-gun-ever was a shotgun and it's what I used to get my first big game animal, I've always had a fascination with shotguns. So much so that every hunting season for the past several years I've had a alot of fun making a shotgun deer hunting video for my YouTube channel. For my project this year I decided to use my Mossberg Shockwave to compare the effectiveness of "managed" recoil 00 buckshot with that of regular 00:




In the past I’ve also tried 00 federal flight control and hornady #4 buckshot:





Thanks for watching,

Brobee
 
Those Federal Flitecontrol shells pattern considerably better (tighter) than anything else, and are available in several shot sizes. I would choose 00 for your purposes, standard 2 3/4".
 
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