Deer Hunters, What's Wrong Here?

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Good morning folks,
The below photo was taken April 25th.
I am wondering why this buck still has antlers. Is this a young stag? I can't tell, but they may be in velvet.
I think this is a whitetail, but it's in suburban Bethesda, Maryland, and something imported could've gotten out, and/or mixed with the "indigenous" deer ??

What say you?
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Good morning folks,
The below photo was taken April 25th.
I am wondering why this buck still has antlers. Is this a young stag? I can't tell, but they may be in velvet.
I think this is a whitetail, but it's in suburban Bethesda, Maryland, and something imported could've gotten out, and/or mixed with the "indigenous" deer ??

What say you?
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He doesn’t “still have antlers” he’s starting to grow a new set.
 
He doesn’t “still have antlers” he’s starting to grow a new set.
Exactly....and looking at the size of the Pedicles, it's gonna be a nice rack. The two ear notches are mysterious tho, because that's something you see from a deer farm deer. In the wild, having one ear slit accidentally is not that rare, but having a notch on each ear is.
 
Exactly....and looking at the size of the Pedicles, it's gonna be a nice rack. The two ear notches are mysterious tho, because that's something you see from a deer farm deer. In the wild, having one ear slit accidentally is not that rare, but having a notch on each ear is.

Could be notches, could be natural. I see wild deer with tattered ears all the time.
 
With the bright flowers in the background and the Buck with the New antlers makes for a nice "Spring Time" photo. Take another pic in the summer and then fall and winter. Love the cycles of Nature.
 
Some guys in a state facebook hunting page were reporting deer still holding antlers a few weeks ago.
 
At our place they have started growing this years set in the last few weeks.

The give away is the fuzzy velvet on them. The old ones had lost that long before they were shed.
 
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They must rut early around there to already have velvet antlers that size this soon. Ours don't get that far along until late June or early July.

Our guys have pretty good velvet buds already starting here in Northern Co.
 
In Iowa I have seen deer in mid April that had not shed their antlers yet. Other bucks may shed their antlers as early as mid December. My guess is genetics play a part as they’re all basically the same habitat.
Notches in a box years mean nothing. They take a lot of abuse when fighting, rubbing tree,s crawling under fences etc.
 
In Iowa I have seen deer in mid April that had not shed their antlers yet. Other bucks may shed their antlers as early as mid December. My guess is genetics play a part as they’re all basically the same habitat.
Notches in a box years mean nothing. They take a lot of abuse when fighting, rubbing tree,s crawling under fences etc.

Local biologist that comes to our hunter safety classes every year claims that Bucks lose their antlers at different times of the year for different reasons. Many times it's how healthy the deer is going into the late fall/winter. Stress from breeding/fighting/weather, injuries, and chance(getting hung up on a fence, etc) dictate it also. Around here, it's very rare to see a healthy buck with last years antlers after the middle of March. Typically, new antlers begin to grow immediately, so that means in this area, they've been growing for a good month, month and a half. Growth, like the rut is regulated by hormones, which are controlled by length of day. Antler growth coincides with the breeding season in the region, thus the antlers are fully grown and hardened by the time fighting over breeding rights and establishing territory begins. Peak of breeding here in Wisconsin is early to mid November. In Texas it is mid to late December. Thus, one would surmise the growth and development of antlers would be different, As I said, the buck having both ears notched is unusual to me. I have shot a lot of bucks, many mature and in over half a century of shooting and watching, have never seen a wild deer with distinct cuts/notches in both ears. As a matter of fact, the amount of deer I have shot with any damage to the ears is relatively low and involves as many does as bucks. Most of those were created by broadheads or bullets passing thru them. Most captive bucks I have seen have some form of ear tags/marks on them to identify them and most are like the one in the pic. Marks on top and the bottom of the ears, not randomly, but with a purpose. I wasn't saying the buck in the picture was ever captive, just that the occurrence of such ear markings, to me, in the wild, is rare.
 
Local biologist that comes to our hunter safety classes every year claims that Bucks lose their antlers at different times of the year for different reasons. Many times it's how healthy the deer is going into the late fall/winter. Stress from breeding/fighting/weather, injuries, and chance(getting hung up on a fence, etc) dictate it also. Around here, it's very rare to see a healthy buck with last years antlers after the middle of March. Typically, new antlers begin to grow immediately, so that means in this area, they've been growing for a good month, month and a half. Growth, like the rut is regulated by hormones, which are controlled by length of day. Antler growth coincides with the breeding season in the region, thus the antlers are fully grown and hardened by the time fighting over breeding rights and establishing territory begins. Peak of breeding here in Wisconsin is early to mid November. In Texas it is mid to late December. Thus, one would surmise the growth and development of antlers would be different, As I said, the buck having both ears notched is unusual to me. I have shot a lot of bucks, many mature and in over half a century of shooting and watching, have never seen a wild deer with distinct cuts/notches in both ears. As a matter of fact, the amount of deer I have shot with any damage to the ears is relatively low and involves as many does as bucks. Most of those were created by broadheads or bullets passing thru them. Most captive bucks I have seen have some form of ear tags/marks on them to identify them and most are like the one in the pic. Marks on top and the bottom of the ears, not randomly, but with a purpose. I wasn't saying the buck in the picture was ever captive, just that the occurrence of such ear markings, to me, in the wild, is rare.

I’m guessing tattered eats might depend on where the deer live. It’s pretty rare for me to shoot a deer that doesn’t have splits, cuts, nicks or “notches” in their ears. This is cactus a barbed wire country.
 
Semi-tangent here.
Here's a buck with a broken ear. The opposite antler only is a fork. Is this one of those injury deals where the opposite side is affected?

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Is it broken or is it just flattened? "Flattening" or "dropping" ears is a sign of aggression. Since deer can move their ears independently, it could or could not be a sign of an injury. Multiple pictures would probably tell. I have watched deer flatten their ears in signs of aggression and when jumping thru fences or thick brush. Yep, being the Dairy State, we have a lot of barbed wire fences. The "opposite side of the injury" usually relates to a leg or foot injury, or some other form of skeletal or long bone injury. Seems the opposite side is mainly a hind leg thing.
 
That's a mature buck starting to grow his antlers for 2020. Attached is a picture of one of my deer which is also a big mature buck. His antlers are just starting to grow. It's almost 8 inches from the tip of his nose to the front corner of the eye so you can judge how big he is. I tried to attach a picture of another buck but it didn't come in full size. MFDC7829.JPG
 

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Local biologist that comes to our hunter safety classes every year claims that Bucks lose their antlers at different times of the year for different reasons. Many times it's how healthy the deer is going into the late fall/winter. Stress from breeding/fighting/weather, injuries, and chance(getting hung up on a fence, etc) dictate it also. Around here, it's very rare to see a healthy buck with last years antlers after the middle of March. Typically, new antlers begin to grow immediately, so that means in this area, they've been growing for a good month, month and a half. Growth, like the rut is regulated by hormones, which are controlled by length of day. Antler growth coincides with the breeding season in the region, thus the antlers are fully grown and hardened by the time fighting over breeding rights and establishing territory begins. Peak of breeding here in Wisconsin is early to mid November. In Texas it is mid to late December.
I read that the buck to doe ratio had an effect on testosterone levels in the bucks. When most of the local does are bred the T-level in the bucks drop and they shed their horns early. When I first started thinning the herd on a large farm I had bucks on camera with hard horn until late Fedruary and early March. After taking 35 does out of the equation I had bucks dropping horns by Christmas a couple years later In most of the area the doe to buck ratio is as high as 10:1 with the breeding season running from early October to mid-February. I have seen fawns that weighed 20 pounds in October. They had too have been born in August.
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Local biologist that comes to our hunter safety classes every year claims that Bucks lose their antlers at different times of the year for different reasons..

In my areas the older mature bucks loose their antlers in late February or early March. By mid April the old mature bucks are already growing antlers. The young bucks keep their antlers until late March or early April. Our spring turkey season starts the first week in April and it's common to see young bucks with just one antler.
 
Usually the fawns in my area are born about the 1st of June but this doe is going to have an early fawn. Anything can happen in a healthy deer herd.

Same here....late May to early June if the doe was bred in her first estrus. Since gestation is 200 days for whitetails, if the doe gets bred in her second estrus, then the fawn/fawns are born in late June to early July. These late born fawns on Ag land or other areas where nutrition is good, are generally the cause for "spike" bucks at the age of 1 1/2 years. The loss of a month of prime feed and growth means antlers suffer. Doesn't mean those bucks cannot produce good racks later in life.
 
I saw two bucks in Oklahoma about a month ago. It an odd year in more ways than one.
December 1 we had a nice 140'' 8-9 pt drop his right side and usually have several shed bucks by the January 10th black powder season but everything was still holding except the target buck.
 
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