Definitive information on Alexis' shotgun?

[lemaymiami]

Yes, there are enough (far too many) of the propaganda artists that deliberately slant their reporting (advocacy journalism is a phrase Dr. Goebbels would be proud of...) to suit their agendas. Most though, are just clueless, easily manipulated, and will pretty much read the press release or story they're given...

I think there's quite a bit of room to explain and educate on things like weapon types, and what it means for all of us to have the benefit of honest armed citizens in our midst... Almost every mass shooting that I'm aware of starts with the premise that the bad actor has the weapons and all his/her targets are just unarmed rabbits.... How quickly things would change if there are one or two armed citizens on the scene when things get ugly and the only hope anyone present has is someone to take direct action and stop the massacre before there's another bloodbath...

I say this even though I've deliberately chosen not to carry a sidearm in daily life(and I'm a retired cop and kept my carry permit active these past 18 years) .

 

[wally]

He fired down from the fourth floor balcony at people in the cafeteria in an atrium on the ground floor. He then went down to the ground floor, shot a security guard and took his Beretta pistol. He then shot the rest of the people using the Beretta.

Perhaps a bit off topic, or thread hijack, but if this is what really happened, to me it leads credence in the open vs. concealed carry debate to the idea that open carry says "shoot me first!".

 

[Mitlov]

Isn't that what it was?

From what I've read, it had a factory 18.5" barrel. So it's got a short barrel compared to a hunting shotgun but it doesn't have a shortENED barrel. The media is now making a big deal out of the fact that this sort of short barrel isn't something a hunter would use...but then again, home defense shotguns have never had long barrels. My Browning BPS (28" barrel, Monte Carlo stock) is great on the trap range and would be great for hunting but it's awfully long and cumbersome for home defense.

 

[jamesjames]

why so much speculation about this shotgun? here's a security video of Alexis in action, and photos of the shotgun.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-releases-footage-navy-yard-shooter-article-1.1467273

The caption is that the 870 was sawed off at the grip and the barrel. I can't tell from the barrel end, but I don't see a vented rib and I don't see a bead at the muzzle. maybe it is sawed off.

 

[gspn]

FBI pics of the gun:


http://therightscoop.com/fbi-releases-photos-of-gun-used-by-naval-yard-shooter/

 

[MattShlock]

Honestly....do you REALLY think they are making an honest mistake? They are far from clueless. The words and phrases are purposefully selected to confuse and portray incorrect information as being factual to the clueless media watchers. The liberal media will stop at nothing to push their agenda to the unsuspecting public.

Warning: this post may have to be wiped for fingerprints by The NSA and clean of providing too much accurate information that some could consider political.

"My ELF* weapon" and "End to the torment" were some of the things he etched on his 870 Remington shotgun.

This looney toon believed he was being controlled by *Extra Low Frequency radio waves. Libertarians -- relax, it's not true.

 

[barnbwt]

"Exhibit A" from article linked above;

From Remington website;

From Google, an older/closer model;

The factory 18.5" barrel may be cut to a hair under 18". Hard to tell since the photo appears to be somewhat shopped. If still a legal barrel, the receiver/grip would definitely push it over the 26" SBS threshold. Not that it matters, since he was hardly in the mood to abide by the NFA of '34 anyway. It appears the primary intent was to remove the front bead , but who can question the rationale of a man controlled by radio waves?

I'm sure the article writers (also Alexis) are unaware that a pistol grip (not whatever that is) can be attached in place of the full stock in 2 minutes, all perfectly legal (if not particularly useful). Oh, yeah, the gibberish etched "into the stock" as reported was actually on the receiver flats (that's at least a forgivable "ignorance error")

Hallway surveillance footage;


I take a small amount of grim comfort knowing this guy was made much less effective by his ridiculous modifications --hopefully this contributed to his demise, and the preservation of others, because God knows most weren't capable of defending themselves.

TCB

 

[PBR Streetgang]

If someone can tell me how >I'll post a short vid of him in the building......it appears that he has either a 18 or 20 inch pistol grip only shotgun with a extended mag tube....................

 

[Mitlov]

Video footage released by the FBI is here. It's not graphic (it does not show him shooting or victims, just him moving through the building):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dsLQLVk7nY

 

[MattShlock]

What was the point in taking the barrel off and "assembling" it later? The seven-round mag tube of the Remington is just as long as the barrel! I'm just glad he didn't have a Mossberg, but, we know his state of mind...

 

[barnbwt]

What was the point in taking the barrel off and "assembling" it later? The seven-round mag tube of the Remington is just as long as the barrel!

Precisely. Bear in mind that the outlets/police relaying that detail were the very same who stated as fact an AR15 was involved. Since the bag used to conceal the (by legal definition) un-concealable weapon was found in the bathroom stall, I imagine the statement that the gun was "broken down" was pure speculation by responders (as opposed to investigators). A fairly insignificant detail, but it lends credence to the "they make this stuff up of whole cloth as they go along" theory. Then again, this unhinged madman may have actually broken the gun down to individual pins and assembled it in the bathroom; but how would you know without a camera in there?

Personally, I find it strange that these photos were released at all let alone this quickly, but I guess DC has different evidence rules than Connecticut. To my knowledge no photos of the weapons in that shooting were released (so we'll never know if my theory that all the initial confusion was due to a rifle that shot 9mm is true )

"we know his state of mind..."
Check out the state of his gun

TCB

 

[RiverPerson]

The New York Times already ran an article discussing how it was a "law-enforcement-grade" weapon. That same article spent two paragraphs trying to make buckshot sound like something unique/sinister/not-appropriate-for-civilian-use.

Do you have a link to the article?

Thanks.

 

[jamesjames]

From the Daily Mail (London) a picture of the gun shop rack where alexis made his purchase


With this model he did take off an inch of barrel at the muzzle and crudely removed the buttstock 2/3 of the way down the grip.

They keep saying "sawed-off shotgun" as part of sensationalizing the story. I guess its technically been sawed off, but not technically in violation of NFA 1934. If only Tom Bowman of NPR news knew what a real 1930 gangland sawed-off shotgun was and how it was used for trenchcoat-carry, close-range murder, he wouldn't be hyping this one quite so hard.

 

[medalguy]

Hmmm. I had a Stevens 12 ga double that had the stock sawed off at the grip, and the barrel cut down to 10 inches. I traded for it from a neighbor way back in 1965, and registered it as a SBS in the 68 amnesty. Now THAT was a sawed-off shotgun. The media is claiming this was not a gun a hunter would use. Really? With an 18 inch barrel? Actually mine, with a 10 inch barrel, held about a 12 inch spread at 20 feet. Great home defense gun.

 

[X-Rap]

Just more of the MSM and their evil cosmetic attributes that can be made or changed with simple shop tools.
If people can't figure out what's happening then shame on them. I hope all the fence sitting, bird hunting 870 owners are waking up with this story. They're coming to get yours now.

 

[wally]

If only Tom Bowman of NPR news knew what a real 1930 gangland sawed-off shotgun was and how it was used for trenchcoat-carry, close-range murder, he wouldn't be hyping this one quite so hard.

When hacksaws are outlawed, only outlaws will have hacksaws!

It'd be about like outlawing gasoline to "prevent" Molotov cocktails. Do they actually think a shotgun ban is "reasonable"?

 

[barnbwt]

...to be more precise, it'd be like banning the stuffing of rags into bottles filled with gasoline to "prevent" Molotov Cocktails --good luck accomplishing either against someone willing to throw them, though

If those shotgun "mods" weren't under the heading of "improvised" (i.e. not preventable by regulations) I don't know what is. People seem to forget the real reason we banned barrel lengths is to tack weapons charges onto an instigating crime --which is kinda moot in this case cuz the guy's already dead, and would have been executed or a lifer, anyway

TCB