Dell Refused To Sell Pistolsmith A Computer!

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Several years ago, one of the gun clubs that I belong to sent out a newsletter that contained a letter from a club member who wanted everyone in the club to boycott the Dell computer company. He related the story about how he had a successful gun business building 1911 pistols and related wares and had ordered a computer directly from Dell. He was given a shipment date and waited for it to arrive. It never came. He contacted the company and eventually was informed that Dell not only didn't ship out his computer, but they flat out refused to sell him one. Why? You guessed it. Dell said something about how they did not want their computers being used by any business involved in the distribution of guns. I think he even went so far as to ask if they would sell him a computer unit as an individual and they refused on the grounds that they were already aware of what he did for a living. Sure, Dell has a right to refuse to sell computers to anybody they want. But he did everything he could to let as many people as possible know about how and why he got discriminated against. Did you ever hear this about Dell before? :fire:
 
This happened in 2002. The Dell company claims that it happened because their screening software red-flagged the words "combat handguns" in his company name and they had to check it out for "homeland security" reasons. They say they apologized and offered him a free computer, but he turned them down and called for a boycott. I can understand his being mad, but it does't look like anti-gun bias to me. We just live in a paranoid age.
 
I can understand Dells point about key words being flagged. The reason I don't like Dell,yes I have one, is because their customer service SUCKS. They will charge you every time they have the chance.

Kevin
 
Could be worse; I had a glitchy graphics card on my HP Pavillion once, and called their tech support. In order to get any warantee work done on their hardware, you first have to prove that it's not a software problem. He ran all sorts of diagnostics on the computer, over the line, but I drew the line at the last diagnostic he demanded before I could get the hardware repaired:

He wanted me to reformat my hard drive. :what:

Bet it saves them a lot of service on their computers, though.
 
"...successful gun business..."

You might say that. :)

_________

I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this story.
I placed an order for a Dell notebook computer on February 13 on line with Dell. I was given a tentative delivery date of February 21st. I was watching the order through the Dell on line tracking system; I also opted for the automatic email notification of when the machine was to be shipped.

Well the 21st came and went, I am a Pistolsmith I know things can happen. I made a phone call on the 25th, did a voice mail message for my salesman to get back to me and I was looking for the delivery date. The 25th came and went with no callback. On the 26th I placed another call this time to cancel the order. After a few hours I got a call back, with this amazing reason for the delay. It seems someone in Dell had already canceled my order, when I asked why I was told Dell was afraid I was going to use the machine for illegal purposes. When I asked why someone would think that I was told it was because of the name of my business "Weigand Combat Handguns Inc.". Because I am involved in firearms I might be doing something illegal. Now keep in mind I was never called or informed of this decision the order was just canceled.

Many of you know me personally and know I run my business about as squeaky clean as possible. In addition being the President of the American Pistolsmiths Guild I am under additional scrutiny as to how I run my business, if I am not clean how can I be the President of an organization that promotes just that! I was informed by a Dell supervisor not long after all of this the reason I was refused was because of their post September 11th policy of screening buyers.

I would like to respectfully ask the firearms community to do the following. If you intended to buy a Dell and because of this letter you do not, email Dell and let them know why. Feel free to distribute this account to all you know in the Firearms community, I think they need to know. I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to treat us.

God Bless
Jack Weigand
President
American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc.
 
I just ordered a Dell computer for a company named "______ Firearms." The system was charged to a credit card in the name of "______ Firearms." The Dell rep never hesitated and the system arrived within three days.

What does this have to do with legal and political?
 
Hmmm I just Dell does not like guns or gun dealers? Justed help a nice guy out from ATK (Advanced Weapon and Space Systems Company) with a computer problem. Sounds like this guy has a problem with the policy The State Departments in port/export compliance.(The Software and/or Technology may not be exported or reexported (i) to any U.S. embargoed country (currently Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) or (ii) to an end-user or end-use prohibited by U.S. law or the laws of the jurisdiction in which the Software and/or Technology was obtained) So there was a problem with the filtering of customer data and order was canceled, it happens. The policy is in place to keep the bad guys from receiving advanced technology. Just because Jack Weigand the Holy President American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc has a bad experience and decides to have a crusade against Dell does not mean its a Anti company. Plenty of Dell employees are gun nuts and members of this board and Republican supporters(Michael Dell is a big Republican).

http://www.sierratimes.com/02/02/28/armd022802.htm
Dell responds to Criticisms from
Second Amendment Activists
Sierra Times: 02.27.02


After speaking with Dell spokesperson Cathie Hargett, Sierra Times was sent the following official statement which concurs with her words regarding the Jack Weigand matter and other related issues. In our opinion, the fact that Dell choose to address the matter quickly and public on the record is commendable, and should change the tone of correspondence to their company from Second Amendment activists, or cease them altogether.
- Sierra Times.

From Dell, Inc Founder and CEO - Michael Dell:


U.S. export laws restrict the sale of technology to terrorists and to people in countries that support terrorism. These laws also prohibit computer sales to people who will use the technology in developing biological or nuclear weapons. Dell strictly complies with our country's export laws in order to ensure the safety of our customers and citizens around the world. When there is reasonable cause for concern, we carefully review customer orders for prohibited destinations and activities.


When additional follow-up on an order is required, our sales representatives ask our customers four basic questions:


1. Who is the end-user?

2. Where will the product be used?

3. What will the product be used for?

4. What type of business or industry is involved?


The answers to these questions, like all customer information we gather, are confidential and are not shared outside of Dell.


We recently received an order from a customer whose company name included the word "combat." We cancelled the order to give us enough time follow up with the customer and be assured that the sale would be in compliance with U.S. export law. However, we failed to contact the customer, and as a result, we did not deliver the order as promised, and the customer did not know why. Once we discovered our error, we apologized to the customer for this misunderstanding, as well as the inconvenience caused by the delay. This is not the service standard that we hold ourselves to at Dell, and if I were a customer who'd received similar treatment, I would be very disappointed.


We at Dell feel a strong obligation to uphold our federal law, but we have just as strong an obligation to be responsive to the needs of all our customers. I want assure you that Dell does not discriminate against any business, regardless of the products or services they sell, nor do we discriminate against individual consumers. We do, however, sometimes make mistakes - as we did in this case.


Thank you for your support.


Sincerely,




Michael Dell
 
Maybe the dealer failed a credit check. He claims to be a successful businessman but Dell may have thought otherwise.
 
I don't know why the starter of this thread has a hard on for Dell but if he would bother to check the facts he would see that Dell realized their mistake and made ample apologies to Mr. Weigand A LONG TIME AGO. Why is this the second time today that I have seen this subject brought up? Let it go, would ya?

Here, I'll do your legwork for you...

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51351

Greg
 
"Several years ago, one of the gun clubs that I belong to sent out a newsletter that contained a letter from a club member..."

Sounds credible enough for me to alter my purchasing habits.

Also, come on. Dell made a MISTAKE and CORRECTED it. What more do you want? It's not Jesus over there running things. Mistakes are going to happen. I'd have been tickled if they offered me a hundred bucks off. They offered him a free computer. This article reads more like a reason to patronize Dell than to boycott them.

Oh, but wait. I forgot about all of the "I had this Dell once and they totally sucked" and "My brother had a Dell and they did the craziest thing..." reliable eyewitness testimony.
 
Dell as a company is fairly liberal and anti-2A rights (has the no-guns signs posted at all entrances - not the legal 30.06 signs, just the ones that keep the employees from carying), but I have never known them to intentionally stop shipment to legal companies who want to purchase a computer. This first issue was (I am sure) a mistake.

Keep in mind that the federal government has made it the responcibility of companies such as Dell to ensure that they don't sell computers to terrorists - and if they do they can face millions of dollars in fines and years in jail for everyone involved in the transaction in any way. Hence the potential for overreaction on occasion.
 
This happened so long ago that Weigand has taken it off of his web site. As I recall, he indicated that he was satisfied with Dell's response though he chose to purchase elsewhere.
 
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