Democrats Plan to Pursue Most Aggressive Gun-Control Legislation in Decades

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Democrats say they will pass the most aggressive gun-control legislation in decades when they become the House majority in January, plans they renewed this week in the aftermath of a mass killing in a California bar.

Their efforts will be spurred by an incoming class of pro-gun-control lawmakers who scored big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, although any measure would likely meet stiff resistance in the GOP-controlled Senate.

About 61% of voters participating in the 2018 midterm elections said America’s gun laws should be stricter, according to AP VoteCast, a pre-election and Election Day survey of about 90,000 people who said they voted or intended to vote. About 13% of Democrats and 8% of all voters said gun control was the most important issue affecting their vote.

The 2018 elections marked the first time
This part of the article quotes a poll that 61% of voters said gun laws should be stricter. While only 8% of all voters said it was most important issue.

I guess this is just that start of a new coming congress with a left-wing majority.
 
Nothing new. That’s been their plan for years. If Obama didn’t get it done I doubt anything crazy happens. They will just keep whittling away until there’s not enough real men left to beat them if they did something crazy.
 
Gun control isn't going anywhere this session, given the makeup of the Senate and the occupant of the White House.

More troubling is the number of new absolute antigun fanatics elected, such as Debbie Mucarsel-Powell in Florida and Lucy McBath in Georgia. These are going to be the new Carolyn McCarthys and will be harping on gun control all the time. The troubling part is that the electorate in these southern states supported them knowing their position on guns.
 
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Nothing new. That’s been their plan for years. If Obama didn’t get it done I doubt anything crazy happens. They will just keep whittling away until there’s not enough real men left to beat them if they did something crazy.
I agree, it's just that even though they only have the house, the article should remind us 2As, and the other Bill of Rights, not to get complacent.
 
Gun control isn't going anywhere this session, given the makeup of the Senate and the occupant of the White House.

More troubling is the number of new absolute antigun fanatics elected, such as Debbie Mucarsel-Powell in Florida and Lucy McBath in Georgia. These are going to be the new Carolyn McCarthys and will be harping on gun control all the time. The troubling part is that the electorate in these southern states supported them knowing their position on guns.
Every state has cities, cities elect left.
 
I hope that the Democrat and Liberal members of THR come to realize that even their right to bear and keep arms will be restricted and they may forced to give up certain firearms they own if these laws make it into law.

ALL gun owners are going to pay a stiff price for supporting President Trump when the Democrats regain power.
 
61% is not just the left however. It is tough to control this issue from a minority position.
 
61% is not just the left however. It is tough to control this issue from a minority position.
And where do you think these polls were taken? Rural America? I seriously doubt it. Just look at an election map. Cities vote left. Rural votes right. In order to get the desired effect, you poll in a likely place to get the answers you want.
 
Every state has cities, cities elect left.
If the gun issue breaks down along urban-rural lines, gun rights are eventually going to lose. That's the simple math because most voters are in cities. To have any hope, the gun-rights side must make guns relevant to city dwellers. That means de-emphasizing hunting, and emphasizing self defense. Lots of urban dwellers are fed up with being victimized. This is not a right-left issue.
 
This is not a right-left issue.
I think I disagree. The left in cities want the police to protect them. The right in rural America know that’s a pipe dream and subsequently arm to defend themselves. People in cities tend to be more concerned with how they are seen by the rest of the world. Rural Americans tend to not give a damn.
 
ALL gun owners are going to pay a stiff price for supporting President Trump when the Democrats regain power.
Paradoxically, if the Democrats regain power, it will be because of a protest vote against Trump. A more mainstream Republican would be better for gun rights long term. Partly because of Trump, we are seeing a massive realignment in American politics, with the socioeconomic top and bottom (and cities generally) becoming more Democrat, while the middle (and the rural areas / small towns) is becoming more Republican. This is not good for gun rights because the votes are obviously where the people are.
 
The mid term election results were disappointing for many 2nd amendment supporters. On the other hand it may be the best thing that could have happened for the 2020 election. Centrist Democrats in power (are there any left?) seem unwilling or afraid to speak against the radicals within their party. That's a good thing, let them speak, or should I say let them scream? I think the next two years of leftist BS from the house will ensure Trumps reelection and a republican congress in 2020.
 
The mid term election results were disappointing for many 2nd amendment supporters. On the other hand it may be the best thing that could have happened for the 2020 election. Centrist Democrats in power (are there any left?) seem unwilling or afraid to speak against the radicals within their party. That's a good thing, let them speak, or should I say let them scream? I think the next two years of leftist BS from the house will ensure Trumps reelection and a republican congress in 2020.
I hope so a the opposite is frightening.

I have nightmare had he lost and they won both houses. We’d have an anti Constitution President, Congress and Supreme Court.

Sadly states my my Virginia are falling and we’re headed towards CA style laws with antis like Tim Kaine leading the charge.
 
While watching the news last night I seen the 1st full length gun control add but I don't remember who put it out so I'll watch for it again and post back.

Also this last election I looked at the election map. I live in Kenosha County Wi. which has been pretty much red for awhile and the results were alarming to me. While US Rep Stiels was elected to replace Paul Ryan both Scott Walker and Leah Vukmir lost by big margins. For those that do not know Kenosha County is the southern most county in the eastern side of the state. It borders McHenry and Lake Counties in Illinois. Are we being infiltrated by Illinois politics? I looked at the people elected in Illinois this year and most are not gun friendly.

Then as someone else mentioned, in many parts we have lost hunting lands to urban sprawl. Use to be here locally one could go out and easily find a place to hunt small game or birds like Pheasant. That is no more. Try walking a field with a 22 and the police would be there shortly.
 
Sadly most my Democrat friends are more concerned with legalizing marijuana than other freedoms. Of course these are rural men.

The women are persuaded by the sob stories on the news.

The few Democrat farmers remember the days of the blue dogs. But most have realized they spend that program money the Democrats offer many times over on regulation and taxes as well as all the meddling that jacks up commodity markets.
 
Folks,
It ain't the NRA, it ain't the candidates on the Right, but rather to quote Pogo--we have met the enemy and he is us. A significant portion of the population believes that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the rule of law hinders their pursuit of utopia and so it must go. There really is not a middle ground to retreat to if you believe in the Constitution and its protection of individual rights.

There is a concerted effort by a significant portion of the population fully supported by the media, political insiders, and wealthy oligarchs that is not only going after the 2A, but also religious freedom of conscience, the rights of the accused (see Title IX tribunals), privacy, property rights, the 1A (hate speech defined broadly will effectively end most political discussions on sensitive subjects--see heckler's veto), free and fair elections, education that is not indoctrination, and personal safety for those that disagree via mob action.

It is a package deal from that thing called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Its job is to protect an organic civil society not based on government permission to exist. Those opposing it reject the idea of individual rights and instead argue for the rights of identity groups with some groups based on "victim" status being more privileged than others because of real or perceived injustices of the past. This justifies in their mind the overthrow of the Constitution because they seek vengeance on the Founders and their posterity.

I can point to surveys indicating significant support and often majority support btw for all of these propositions limiting most Bill of Rights protections depending on question wording. That exit poll btw also indicated that only 8 percent of the population thinks that it is the most important issue for stricter gun laws. The problem is the coalition of folks that want to limit each and every right might very well be a majority if they vote together as a bloc.

I have seen people all too commonly willing to support taking away group/individual X's rights because they are a "bad person--bad group, etc." instead of an individual actions.

It is a pattern and far too many people are willing to turn their heads away because they want something from government that meanies on the other side won't give them (money, privileges under the law, "free" health care, dope, "free housing", "free birth control", revenge, political prosecutions, etc.) so they become silent allies of this element taking away rights.

To make themselves feel better, they allege that a few isolated anecdotes of the other side's misbehavior justifies what they want thus the mote in that side's eyes justifies the beam in their side's. This false equivalence was used quite often by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. However, as bad as the West was, you rarely saw people trying emigrate to the paradise of East Germany. Instead, people risked their lives and freedom to escape such places.

Here is the thing, once the rule of law goes, NO ONE is safe--politically, socially, and economically. Political contests will no longer be over issues but survival for self and loved ones and history is replete with tales of disaster when this happens. As Hobbes says, "life is short, brutish, and nasty" when these things happen. In any society, there are a lot of people who hold grudges for their misfortunes and feel victimized by a society and its rules. Often, their vengeance is not really sought for their misfortunes but from those of others in their "tribe" and they view the political system as a way to make their perceived tribal enemies pay in the coin of humiliation and oppression.

The Venezuelan Constitution has many fine guarantees of rights as did the Soviet Union's Constitution did before it. Over time, Venezuelan society traded its future away for promised fools gold and allowed bit by bit for their rights to be taken from them. Now one of the richest countries in the world during the 1960's and 1970's has been destroyed by class envy, hatred, crime, and economic desperation.

The doublespeak of the fine words that "Love conquers Hate" or "Tolerance" etc. conveniently ignores the idea of those who must be crushed under the treads of tanks to get to that Utopia. Because those un people deny the Roussean community's values, they must be destroyed, expelled, or subjugated.

One slender reed that introduces doubt in the success of this project is the 2A. Without it, the word citizens will be replaced by subjects, and subjects get whatever scraps of rights that the sovereign feels generous enough to grant them until all hell breaks loose or the government collapses such as the Soviet Union did.
 
This is going off the rails rather quickly. Pure politics aren't our thing, nor is discussing the pros and cons of Trump, birth control, Venezuela and marijuana.

So before we go all panicky, I'm going to close this. If and when there are concrete proposals in Congress that we can read and that after some chance of being voted up or down, we can visit it.

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