Denied handgun permit, alleged killer got shotgun

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DETROIT, Michigan (AP) -- Despite being denied a permit to buy a handgun last month, Anthony LaCalamita III had no trouble buying a shotgun a few weeks later.

Police say the accountant bought the 12-gauge shotgun Friday, the day after he was fired.

He allegedly used it Monday to shoot three people at his former office in a Detroit suburb, killing a secretary and wounding two executives. (Watch the aftermath of the shooting )

LaCalamita, 38, was able to buy the shotgun because Michigan, like all but four states, doesn't require a permit to buy a shotgun or rifle. Instead, potential buyers must simply pass an FBI background check.

But the Troy resident was unable to pass the more thorough background check done by his local police department when he applied for a handgun permit. The state is one of a dozen that require permits for handgun buyers.

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, would like to see more states do their own background checks because they have better access to criminal databases than federal authorities do and state checks are often more thorough.

"The bottom line is, we make it awfully easy in this country to get weapons," Helmke said.

Only 15 states do their own background checks on long gun buyers, while 26 do their own checks on people buying handguns, according to the Brady Campaign.

Despite what his estranged wife's attorney said is a history of depression and mental health problems, there was apparently nothing in LaCalamita's FBI background check that prevented him from buying the shotgun. It's left up to applicants to admit on their FBI background check form if they have psychological problems.

When LaCalamita requested a handgun permit last month from the Troy Police Department, the check was much more extensive.

Department spokesman Lt. Gerry Scherlinck said he couldn't comment on why the department chief turned down LaCalamita's request for a handgun permit. But he said the department looks at records that go beyond arrests or convictions.

"Theoretically, you could have a clear criminal history but still have contacts with law enforcement that would not rise to the level of an arrest or conviction," Scherlinck said. A police chief "can use those contacts to deny a permit whether or not those involved arrests that might show up on a criminal history."

LaCalamita was arraigned Wednesday on one count of first-degree murder, two counts of intent to commit murder, three counts of possessing a firearm in the commission of a felony, and one count of fleeing and eluding police. A not guilty plea was entered for LaCalamita by the judge.

Police say LaCalamita walked into his former office as employees were scrambling to beat the approaching federal tax deadline and opened fire with the shotgun.

CNN
 
And if he couldn't buy a shotgun he probably would have stolen one. Do these idiots really think all the street gangs go to gun stores and buy guns?
 
When LaCalamita requested a handgun permit last month from the Troy Police Department, the check was much more extensive.

Department spokesman Lt. Gerry Scherlinck said he couldn't comment on why the department chief turned down LaCalamita's request for a handgun permit. But he said the department looks at records that go beyond arrests or convictions.
Right here is the real story. What did this "police" background check legitimately find that the NICS did not? Or was it arbitrary?
 
geister ..yup.


The same people would also believe that requiring everyone to get permission from their local boys IN ADDITION to a federal background check would stop criminals cold.

Got a permit for that gun?


You end up with an anti gun person running things and it becomes pick and choose who can exercise their second ammendment rights,then opening a way to reduce overall private gun ownership with raising the costs of such a registration/permit or making it a monthly renewal and eventually, banning them all altogether,pretty slick backdoor means to banning them.
 
Brady Retards....

The guy was born with a weapon, between his ears...

Still if he could not get a firearm he could have used a knife or an axe or a baseball bat, all are available at most hardware and sporting goods stores... and cheaper too...
 
Right here is the real story. What did this "police" background check legitimately find that the NICS did not? Or was it arbitrary?

Well the cops said right here, "Theoretically, you could have a clear criminal history but still have contacts with law enforcement that would not rise to the level of an arrest or conviction," Scherlinck said. A police chief "can use those contacts to deny a permit whether or not those involved arrests that might show up on a criminal history."

Basically they can deny a person's permit for anything. Like if the cops had been called out to his house for a domestic disturbance. That might be recorded locally somewhere and wouldnt be in the FBI's records. The MI cops could then use that to deny his permit request.
 
Some years back, as I stood waiting for my permit to purchase to be typed out, I heard one police sergeant say to another gentleman who wanted to buy a pistol,

Sergeant: (to gentleman) "Yes, you have a constitutional right to buy a long gun, but not a pistol...I decide who buys those and who doesn't!"

Gentleman: "The 2nd amendment protects my right to keep and bare arms!"

Sergeant: "Not a pistol it doesn't! Just long guns!"

Can you imagine that?! We can not afford to destroy our rights for one fool. Increase punishment of criminals!

Edit to add: The same sergeant made me sit and wait to "Safety Inspect" one of my Encore pistols, and then asked me

Sergeant: "Who cut this rifle barrel down to pistol length?!

Me: "That's an Encore pistol barrel."

When the deputy advised him that Encore makes these barrels in rifle calibers, that she had registered dozens of them, he bellowed to me:

Sergeant: "Boy...if you did it...you're going to jail!"

Again, she assured him it is a legal, Encore pistol barrel. What a comical character. He finally had me sitting there waiting for the better part of an hour and a half. :) I finally walked out with my Encore frame and the .270 Win. barrel. :) Imagine if I had walked in with the custom shop pistol barrel in .338 Win Mag?!

I did believe that he meant well. He simply was not well-informed.
 
Doc2005...

You screwed up... When "safety inspecting" a Thompson Center Contender or Encore, DO NOT take a barrel in at all... the ONLY thing "registered" is the FRAME... IF they ask where the barrel is, tell them it is a "pistol frame" and you as of yet haven's BOUGHT the barrels you want... and since the frame is the registered part, you bought that forst and are complying with the law...

the BIGGEST problem this causes is if the mroron "registering" it puts a caliber in the "cal" box, then some uninformed officer could have a BIG problem with you, when you "registered" a .270 Win, and you now have a .22-250 with a .270 serial number...

like I said, take the FRAME ONLY in when doing the "safety registraton"...
 
Of the bellowing, bellicose sergeant, Doc2005 wrote:
"I did believe that he meant well. He simply was not well-informed."

That's very generous of you, but it sounds like he was rather an authoritarian, ignorant, control-freak who happens to have had misinformed as only one of his major failings. I don't see anything in your description of the incident that makes me think "meant well" at all :)

Glad you got your gun (good thing the other clerk was around), but it's sad you should have been subject to the arbitrary decisions of this guy.

timothy
 
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