Desert Eagle=junk?

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My son is interested in buying an Israeli made Desert Eagle, double (?) blue, with gold accents.

I've heard much negative about the piece. I've only held one but it seemed to me to be (44 mag) to be too big, heavy, and cheaply made for sustained use.

Seems to me that since it fired a 44, a S&W mountain gun could do more with less.

What say ye?
 
P&R;

I wouldn't be too fixated on the gold accents (it may be a sign of age, but the sparkly accents are tasteless IMHO). Beyond that, the DE as first made by IMI has proven to be a superb handgun for the two of us!

Ours is about ten years old now (I bought it new) and gobbles right through a hundred or two of my favorite handloads any time we go shooting. Admittedly, the past year has seen no range time for either Susan or myself, but I'm looking forward to nicer weather when we can return to the high country range and spend the entire day having fun!

Don't let the appearance of the DE lead you to believe the pistol isn't quality! Ours has easily seen over a thousand rounds each year (on minimum average), and has only developed one hicup that was a simple fix: the sear spring retaining pin bent just enough to unseat one end from the retaining frame - but the firearm didn't fail to feed, fire or eject during that particular shooting day! I was running a new batch of very hot handloads through it (+P+ and maybe a tad more, smearing headstamps), so the damage was more than likely all my fault!

We've enjoyed extended sessions (in excess of four hundred rounds), shooting constantly enough that the barrel literally began to glow a dull cherry red and was far too hot to handle! The accuracy never changed, and the pistol just kept going!

Durable enough?

The pistol can be a bit random where it throws brass, as it used the same gas-operated rotary bolt as the AR rifle but opens completely on the top when the slide cycles. Once you figure out which brand of brass the gun prefers, the randomness all but disappears.

It's a superbly soft gun to shoot, even with Cor-Bon loads. YMMV - we're just two forty-something lesbians. Guys may have an entirely different perception.

:rolleyes:

:p

Anyway. There's nothing like a Desert Eagle. We use it, and the even hotter loaded Super Redhawk to strengthen our shooting stance and refine out trigger discipline - and the pistol always performs flawlessly, always leaves us grinning from ear-to-ear!

I've taken the time to field-strip the new ones, and those are unsatisfactory after owning the original. Again, YMMV. . .

I love the Mountain Gun, and the old, black-pearl blued Model 29's - they're wonderful revolvers, but the De and the revolvers aren't comparable.

Another thought on feeding the DE: use the cleanest powder you can. I've found nothing better then VV N340. Buy it direct from Caltrone-Pettibone for the freshest batch. A dirty batch of ammunition will foul the gas system awfully quick, and is more tedious than necessary to thoroughly clean. And as it's got polygonal rifling, quality jacketed bullets! No exceptions!

Food for thought, if nothing else!

Trisha
 
I gots one, though it is pretty much just a fun gun. If you need a magnum auto, it is the way to go, even with parts breakage (have not broken any parts yet myself), at least it is still made and one can get parts for it. Try getting AutoMag parts. But I have broken all sorts of guns, some supposedly durable so I would not worry too much about it. The DE is also pretty reliable and accurate. As it is single action, I did not have too much of a problem with the long grip. Even took it hunting as a backup gun to my rifle when I was young. er. younger.

How old is your kid? When I was a kid I got myself a 357 revolver, a 9mm wondernine, and a Ruger mk II for about what my DE cost and that would be the way to go if it is just starting out a battery. Otherwise, getting a DE as a first gun is probably somewhat limiting. If he wants a shooter and does not need the horsepower, the .357 DE would be cheaper to shoot.

j-mho.

ktd
 
Quote PinnedAndRecessed:..."Junk...negative....too big...heavy....cheaply made"

Sounds like you've already made up your mind and haven't been able to convince your son differently. I'll agree with you on the big and heavy part, but you couldn't be more wrong on your other points.

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I once rented one in 50AE from a shot that does not maintain their rentals and promptly shot it better than my Glock 22. It is a very well built gun to with stand that kind of abuse and it inspired me to check in to Magnum Research's more practical Baby Eagles which share the Desert Eagle's high level of quality even though they are not the same design. If I had the money to feed a Desert Eagle I would not hesitate to buy one.
 
Feeding would be an issue. (grin) Almost like adding another kid to the inventory! Maybe less trouble, though.

The Baby Eagles are Tanfoglio-based guns, refined by Magnum Research. Altogether different gun than the Desert Eagle. Good gun, too. (Same basic design as the CZ, but arguably improved. Similar to the EAA Witness, even though it looks different.)
 
I'm not so sure the Baby Eagle is based on Tanfoglio pistols. They are actually made by Israel Military Industries (IMI), and marketed in the US by Magnum Research. I have a Baby Eagle, in .45 ACP. It is a darn good pistol.

Jake in TX
 
You may be correct.

As I understood it (perhaps wrongly), Tanfoglio made the frame and some of the other parts, shipped them to Israel, where they were finished, packaged, combined with locally made components, and given their unique Baby Eagle characteristics.

In any event, they are basically a CZ clone.

There are a number of guns that are made by Tanfoglio, but "finished" by other makers; I thought the Baby Eagle was another.
 
Walt is right.

Now what would throw it over the top and make me have get a DE is if they came out with one of those well below the grip super high caps like they have for Glocks, Berettas, and 1911's. 15 Rds of .44 mag sounds about right. The gun is all about excess any way.
 
I have a IMI made 50AE, it has over 20,000 rounds and no troubles at all. If you get one of the US made you will have nothing but trouble, they made them as cheap as they could.
 
I've heard much negative about the piece. I've only held one but it seemed to me to be (44 mag) to be too big, heavy, and cheaply made for sustained use.
....but you are not the one interested in buying one. If your son is the one buying it then you know what they say about opinions.
 
I love mine, a gift from my brother. I'll never part with it and it's a ton of fun at the range. Got a 44 barrel (it's a 50 AE origionally) to "save" money on ammo and to fill my itch for a 44 Mag.

The 357 shoots like a 22 Mag and comes back on target great. With the right ROF and bigger mags it could make a good machine pistol ;)
 
It is definitely a "show" gun, not very practical as far as actually using it toward some specific function, but very fun to fire nonetheless, and you always get attention from range shooters as well as friends.

The key is the grip size, and I hold it two handed, and it still feels like a brick. Here's a photo of the comparison. People say it's finicky, bulky, poor ergonomic, pointless......yep, that's all true, but heck is it a cool gun, you can't deny that.

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Trisha, what caliber are you shooting?

A friend used to have the .357. Out of the DE, they're like mild .38s. And I fired a .50 once-I can't imagine a handgun round that size out of any other gun! :what:
 
Quote AirPower: "It is definitely a "show" gun, not very practical as far as actually using it toward some specific function"

Airpower, I respecfully disagree....whether the DE is for "show or has practical use" is up to the creativity of the shooter, not a weakness of the gun.

For years I've used mine for hunting Whitetail, Mulies, and Antelope, as well as bowling pin and silhouette shoots. Have taken a number of big game species at 200 yards.

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I'm very happy with my impractical "show" gun, thank you!

Which I've used for several years on both IHMSA Silhouette matches, and whitetail deer during handgun season. :scrutiny:

And hizzoner the Rabbi Mermelstein should know better than to use a mistreated rental gun that was fed no-name handloads as a yardstick, how many of us want to buy a used Avis rental car after everybody and their mom romped on it?

Trisha's DE may indeed be old, but look at the 1984-vintage serial number on mine:

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Now, for those who haven't owned a Desert Eagle pistol - (And no, a Baby Eagle ain't the same thing)

1. They're gas-operated, and big, with an M16-style bolt. That means they need a lot of gas volume to operate properly. Lightweight ammo will not operate the gun, period. Mine is a .357 Magnum, and only 158gr or heavier ammo will cycle it. No problem for me, I handload, and run some Ohmygawd 1600fps WW296 loads through it, no problem. If you're concerned that your local Walmart may not have the right ammo to keep it running, take heart. There is a list of IMI-approved ammo out there:

http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/DEP_Ammo_List.xls

and another list compiled by owners:

http://www.zvis.com/dep/depammo.shtml

Is the gun dirty? Yes. The gas port blows the exhaust back towards the shooter, since the gas piston is attached to the front of the slide, under the muzzle. At least it doesn't blow crud back into the action, like the M16. My Desert Eagle has yet to stop functioning, but it gets pretty grungy looking after about 200 rounds.

Is it a CCW pistol? Depends. I have a shoulder rig for it, so you *could* carry it CCW and maybe not print. Not that I'd recommend the gun for IWB or Thunderwear. (The latter might impress somebody, though...)

They're accurate. They hit hard. They're big. They're heavy. And I ain't selling mine. :D
 
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