Did Remington drop the ball AGAIN? RM380
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sgt127
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I had a Rohrbaugh. It was beautiful. Everything I wanted in a pocket gun. Except, it would not run one magazine without a jam. And, it had recently been refurbed at the factory. I'll bet I spent $150 bucks on every variation of premium ammo trying to find something it liked. Hell, if it had run ball, I would have been happy.
I think in .380 it may be a perfect pocket gun for me. I'm looking forward to picking one up.
I think in .380 it may be a perfect pocket gun for me. I'm looking forward to picking one up.
JR47
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There is an RM380 in a local gun shop. Priced at $350.00. It looks good, has no obvious factory blemishes. Everything works, and the trigger is no worse than on my LCP.
I'm just full of my tiny .380's at this point to need another one.
I'm just full of my tiny .380's at this point to need another one.
LGS got shipment few days ago and I got to examine sample gun. Very tidy little pistol with nice double action trigger pull, magazine release, slide lock lever (missing on original design). I also liked checkering on front of of grip. It looked like frame was alloy which is a nice touch and adds class to the gun. The price was $399 and frankly I thought the gun was worth that. I would rather have that than: Kel-tec, Ruger or Glock. Most Americans will hate the sights it comes with, but those are not really needed for deep concealment defensive pistol intended to be used at about five paces or less.
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Not missing - the Rorhbaugh brothers intentionally designed the R9 with no levers or button on the frame's sides.
This is 21 feet, with the R9, using the sights and shooting Winchester RA9T. I shoot tighter groups with 124gr Gold Dot and 124gr Lawman TMJs. My typical 5-shot group at 10 yards is about 3 inches. This isn't exactly a "bad-breath distance" belly gun.
On the other hand, in low light conditions against an assailant wearing black clothing would I be able to line up the sights?
Not easily...
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seeker_two
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Don't be so harsh....the R51 debacle was a great boost to the Pelican Case Company....just like the RM380 will be...."I don't see what the fuss is about"
Oh, people are just salivating for another R51 fiasco. The mini 380 market is so over-served by identical or better offerings, that there is literally no other interest in the new gun. I suspect when word gets out the gun is acceptable (all indications point to it being a functional gun of unremarkable quality) people will largely stop talking about it. There is nothing exciting about the thing at all
"Let's wait awhile, like with the R51, then maybe"
Why? Word got out within two weeks of shipping that the R51 had serious and widespread issues. Pretty much the same story as any other gun that had serious or widespread issues.
Jackal
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Too little too late. Rem getting into the tiny 380 market now is like Ruger getting into the AR15 market 10 years too late....
Goju
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"Don't be so harsh....the R51 debacle was a great boost to the Pelican Case Company....just like the RM380 will be...."
....assuming they ever ship (with the promised cases). Hmmm, in the summer of 2014 that was supposed to be in "October"....which has now come and gone twice.
....assuming they ever ship (with the promised cases). Hmmm, in the summer of 2014 that was supposed to be in "October"....which has now come and gone twice.
Remington will never compete with Ruger or S&W in the handgun market. They're trying to get in cheaply, with the R51 ( old design ) and the RM380 ( a cheaper Rohrbaugh ). They need to worry more about their rifle & shotgun quality..
hardknocks!
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Rm 380
I picked up a RM 380 yesterday and ran 70 rounds of ball
Some fiocchi some federal an a few ppu I had on hand.
No failures so far. I tried three types of ammo in one mag with no problem.
same size pretty much as the LCP but wider.
Mag has a spacer in rear looks like it's made for 9mm.
lots of grease as a lubricant from factory
Trigger breaks at the very end of the pull which is not to my liking.
Can't say I love it but I don't hate it either.
Time will tell.
Regards
Mike
I picked up a RM 380 yesterday and ran 70 rounds of ball
Some fiocchi some federal an a few ppu I had on hand.
No failures so far. I tried three types of ammo in one mag with no problem.
same size pretty much as the LCP but wider.
Mag has a spacer in rear looks like it's made for 9mm.
lots of grease as a lubricant from factory
Trigger breaks at the very end of the pull which is not to my liking.
Can't say I love it but I don't hate it either.
Time will tell.
Regards
Mike
giggitygiggity
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I agree that Remington got into the .380 market too late. Ruger got into the AR15 market behind some of the makers, but they hit a good stride introducing the SR556 and SR762 when they did. Besides, people still buy up AR15s and I am sure that Ruger does very well with their AR sales.
hardknocks!
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Rm 380
Hi all
Shot another 70 rounds.
Some cor-bon HP
Easier to shoot than my LCP for me
because the grip is wider.
liking it more.
no failures.
Hi all
Shot another 70 rounds.
Some cor-bon HP
Easier to shoot than my LCP for me
because the grip is wider.
liking it more.
no failures.
barnbwt
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TTAG finally got a review up, and...it sounds like Remington somehow improved upon an already fairly-successful and well made product 
Obviously made to a lower fit and finish than expected for a 1000$ handgun, but it also supposedly runs for more than 200rnds before needing springs. And the magazine release is better/different. I'm not crazy about slide levers on such tiny guns, but added features is added features when it comes to marketing so I can't blame Remington.
"Mag has a spacer in rear looks like it's made for 9mm."
Rohrbaugh had a 9mm, right? Remington may be trying to get a recoil spring setup to work that allows such a small gun to run without destroying itself, before going the next step (either that, or the R380 in 9mm was not supposed to compete against the 'flagship' R51 --mission accomplished)
TCB
Obviously made to a lower fit and finish than expected for a 1000$ handgun, but it also supposedly runs for more than 200rnds before needing springs. And the magazine release is better/different. I'm not crazy about slide levers on such tiny guns, but added features is added features when it comes to marketing so I can't blame Remington.
"Mag has a spacer in rear looks like it's made for 9mm."
Rohrbaugh had a 9mm, right? Remington may be trying to get a recoil spring setup to work that allows such a small gun to run without destroying itself, before going the next step (either that, or the R380 in 9mm was not supposed to compete against the 'flagship' R51 --mission accomplished
)TCB
I don't think the springs in the Rohrbaugh R380 needed changing every 200 rounds like the spring in the R9 does.
I'm just guessing here, but its a pretty strong possibility that Remington, like Rohrbaugh is using Wolff springs, most likely the same Wolff springs that were made for the R380.
I'm just guessing here, but its a pretty strong possibility that Remington, like Rohrbaugh is using Wolff springs, most likely the same Wolff springs that were made for the R380.
MICHAEL T
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I handled one last week . I liked the size, trigger was fine for me . Looked to me well made and very easy to rack the slide . Bigger than my Ket Tec and Mustang . Dealer was asking 400 I think that was about 50 to much.
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george burns
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Routinely 299 on slickguns.com, and lower one day last week, may have been 265 or so, "hard to remember them all". Wait.
Prince Yamato
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Instead of the smallest 9mm pocket gun, they downgraded the caliber and added "features" which weren't supposed to be there in the first place, like a slide release and US-style mag release.
So basically, they took everything that was great about the Rohrbaugh and got rid of it.
Way to go Remington.
So basically, they took everything that was great about the Rohrbaugh and got rid of it.
Way to go Remington.
Clark
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380s:
http://remingtonhandguns.com/rm380#overview
Remington RM380 12.2 ounces empty
https://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/p-3at/pistol/
Kel-Tec P38T 8.2 ounces empty
http://ruger.com/products/lcp/specSheets/3701.html
Ruger LCP 9.6 ounces
https://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P380.asp
Kahr P380 10 ounces without magazine
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9mm:
https://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pf-9/pistol/
Kel-tec PF9 12.7 ounces empty
Prince Yamato
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So you have a 9mm gun that shoots .380 instead.
And instead of no-snag, you have a bunch of crap on the slide and frame now.
And instead of a no-accidental release euro-style heel release, you get a button style American mag release for the (I'm presuming) quick mag changes that you won't be doing with this gun anyway.
They could have just let the r9 be and mass produced it at $600-700 instead of $900-1100. No, they had to "improve" it. :banghead:
And instead of no-snag, you have a bunch of crap on the slide and frame now.
And instead of a no-accidental release euro-style heel release, you get a button style American mag release for the (I'm presuming) quick mag changes that you won't be doing with this gun anyway.
They could have just let the r9 be and mass produced it at $600-700 instead of $900-1100. No, they had to "improve" it. :banghead:
Clark
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I can handload a big beefy 380 to the top of 357 mag.
But the little weenie mouse gun 380s like the P3AT and LCP I can get 1100 fps 90 gr Gold Dot, right on the hairy edge of a case bulge. That is not even near a 9mm. That is Buffalo Bore 380 +P claimed level.
The Kahr P380 will handload to 9mm level, if one wants to deal with the extraction and feed issues from a Kahr.
The PF9 9mm will go WAY past 9mm loads with handloads. One shot and the recoil hurts for 10 minutes.
But the little weenie mouse gun 380s like the P3AT and LCP I can get 1100 fps 90 gr Gold Dot, right on the hairy edge of a case bulge. That is not even near a 9mm. That is Buffalo Bore 380 +P claimed level.
The Kahr P380 will handload to 9mm level, if one wants to deal with the extraction and feed issues from a Kahr.
The PF9 9mm will go WAY past 9mm loads with handloads. One shot and the recoil hurts for 10 minutes.
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I had one in my hand on Black Friday and it's a decent little pocket pistol. If it gets good reviews I'll probably pick one up. It's a brand new gun so just have to wait a bit longer.
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