Do you bring a long gun when you travel?

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Long Gun When Traveling ?

No, but I always "bring along a gun", when I travel.

My handgun travel is legal in every state I travel in, except one that I'm "just passing through". In that state, it is legal if the gun is unloaded. Duh!

I'd rather risk being charged for a misdemeanor, than being dead in a ditch somewhere.

I feel pretty certain that loaded long gun travel is illegal in every state, in which I travel. Ergo, I do not practice it.:)
 
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Better to have and not need than need and not have.
That's my problem, I guess. I can't picture a realistic situation that I've ever heard of where I'd be really needing that rifle or shotgun and the handgun wouldn't do as well or, more likely, even better.

I mean, anything is possible but we all make choices of what well burden ourselves with. I don't carry an epi pen or fire extinguisher on my vacations or business trips either, though I'd be orders of magnitude more likely to need either of those to save my life than a rifle.
 
That's my problem, I guess. I can't picture a realistic situation that I've ever heard of where I'd be really needing that rifle or shotgun and the handgun wouldn't do as well or, more likely, even better.

Have you watched many videos of something like the LA Riots?

Vehicles become disabled or blocked in, and if you have to get out on foot, well...long gun > handgun

Just an example that quickly comes to mind.

But it's also about having a long gun where you are saying. Many of us have a long gun as a home defense firearm of choice. Well, when traveling your home is kinda sorta wherever you are.
 
Have you watched many videos of something like the LA Riots?

Vehicles become disabled or blocked in, and if you have to get out on foot, well...long gun > handgun

Just an example that quickly comes to mind.
I guess I should have said, realistic examples that are statistically even remotely likely to happen to me, in the places I go, and in which I'd really be better off with a rifle.

And I'm not terribly impressed with my chances of accessing a stored rifle while trapped inside a car I'm driving anyway, were my circumstances to fall so remotely far down the statistical rabbit hole to find myself in that situation.

But it's also about having a long gun where you are saying. Many of us have a long gun as a home defense firearm of choice. Well, when traveling your home is kinda sorta wherever you are.
Right, I addressed that before. I don't necessarily make that choice at my own fairly rural home, and far less would I make that choice for defending one small hotel room.

Negatives > positives.
 
I guess I should have said, realistic examples that are statistically even remotely likely to happen to me, in the places I go, and in which I'd really be better off with a rifle.

And I'm not terribly impressed with my chances of accessing a stored rifle while trapped inside a car I'm driving anyway, were my circumstances to fall so remotely far down the statistical rabbit hole to find myself in that situation.


Right, I addressed that before. I don't necessarily make that choice at my own fairly rural home, and far less would I make that choice for defending one small hotel room.

Negatives > positives.

Most of the time I travel I stay in a larger domicile than my own home. I'm not usually in a hotel, I am usually in somebody else's house. So we're a bit different there it seems.

The car could be disabled or you could be unable to drive out of the situation. Not sure how trapped in the car entered the equation.

For you it doesn't seem worth bringing along. I'm sure your pistol(s) will serve you well.
 
And if the car is disabled and surrounded by a rioting mob as you suggested, am I getting to my rifle somehow? And if I've got a sidearm on me, to what degree will a rifle be the difference between sufficient and insufficient defense/deterrence? And, in this nation of several hundred millions, how many people have ever had this happen to them?

Like I said, might need an auto-defibrillator -- heat attacks happen to thousands and thousands of folks every year -- but I don't think my risks are high enough to warrant carrying one around on my trips. A rifle? For self defense? While out on a drive? The odds must be a billion or more to one.

But theft from a car? Yeah, been there. Or from hotel rooms. Traveling with any superfluous stuff is inefficient and an irritant after a while.

Yeah, I'll have to make do with my handguns. I've traveled many many places with far less and found my way home. They'll do.
 
I never do unless a possible hunting prospect is somewhere along the way. This is rare. Perhaps twice out of dozens of trips in the last 40 years in 49 states.
 
Yes,always

I travel with at least 3 pistols and a long gun.

The long gun is often a lever action Winchester 'Trapper" in 30-30.

It can handle 99% of North American game,AND double as a S/D carbine in bad times.

I like the lever gun as its a repeater AND not a "Black Rifle".

Don't get me wrong,I shoot the M-4's often and prefer them.

But the average person wont go bonkers at the sight of a "Cowboy gun".
 
And if the car is disabled and surrounded by a rioting mob as you suggested, am I getting to my rifle somehow?

I would be able to, but I've watched plenty of the videos and read plenty of the accounts, and it is totally plausible that you'd be able to get out of the car to get to it, if that was necessary. Or maybe not, no guarantees in hypotheticals.

And if I've got a sidearm on me, to what degree will a rifle be the difference between sufficient and insufficient defense/deterrence? And, in this nation of several hundred millions, how many people have ever had this happen to them?

Dunno.

Like I said, might need an auto-defibrillator -- heat attacks happen to thousands and thousands of folks every year -- but I don't think my risks are high enough to warrant carrying one around on my trips. A rifle? For self defense? While out on a drive? The odds must be a billion or more to one.

Maybe so.

It seems we are picturing different things here. I wouldn't take a rifle just to go "out on a drive" either. But when I drive 1,000 miles one way and am away from home for 10 days, I do.


But theft from a car? Yeah, been there. Or from hotel rooms. Traveling with any superfluous stuff is inefficient and an irritant after a while.

I have never had to leave it in a hotel room and don't ever intend to. I have also never left it in an unattended and out of sight car, and don't intend to. (and even if we go inside to eat and are watching the car through the window, there are two big dogs in the car too)

Again, we seem to be picturing different things here.

Yeah, I'll have to make do with my handguns. I've traveled many many places with far less and found my way home. They'll do.

And I've never needed my carry gun. ;)
 
I would be able to, but I've watched plenty of the videos and read plenty of the accounts, and it is totally plausible that you'd be able to get out of the car to get to it, if that was necessary. Or maybe not, no guarantees in hypotheticals.
And, in this nation of several hundred millions, how many people have ever had this happen to them?
Dunno.
And I think that's a big part of my divergence with the common gunny theme of bringing a rifle along or of, "fighting your way back to your rifle..."
We seem to all really just like having a rifle nearby, but don't or can't process the math to determine if the chances we would find it necessary are greater than the most vanishing statistical insignificance.

That's why I bring up all these other, much less remote, causes of sudden death. We don't generally take awkward, inconvenient and/or potentially legally knotty steps to reduce or counter any of a wide variety of these avenues of demise that actually do happen to more than one in a hundred-million people each year.

So why do we make the time/effort/risk investment to meet this one particular, exceedingly rarified need? Is it just because we're gunnies and we like having guns with us? If so, cool.

To me, though, it seems a bit less realistically necessary than, say, packing a life-preserver in your trunk for your drive through Wyoming. We can say something wise-ish like, "Ahhh, grasshopper, better to have and not need than need and not have!" I mean, sure you could somehow find yourself floating in the Sweetwater next to your sinking automobile...

But really, claiming to believe this is meeting a need seems a bit absurd. :)

A rifle? For self defense? While out on a drive? The odds must be a billion or more to one.
Maybe so.

It seems we are picturing different things here. I wouldn't take a rifle just to go "out on a drive" either. But when I drive 1,000 miles one way and am away from home for 10 days, I do.
So the billion-to-one odds are changed by driving for ten days or 1,000 miles? Enough to make carrying a rifle realistically helpful?

But theft from a car? Yeah, been there. Or from hotel rooms. Traveling with any superfluous stuff is inefficient and an irritant after a while.
I have never had to leave it in a hotel room and don't ever intend to. I have also never left it in an unattended and out of sight car, and don't intend to. (and even if we go inside to eat and are watching the car through the window, there are two big dogs in the car too)

Again, we seem to be picturing different things here.
Ok, so I think this kind of proves my point. Now we're on a trip and you can't leave your rifle in the hotel and you can leave it in the car but only if you stay within eyesight of the car. That's a MIGHTY specific kind of trip you're on. Not anything at all like those that 99% of travelers are taking. Travelers who have business meetings, go in museums, take tours, visit friends or relatives but don't necessarily want to have to trundle their rifle into the house, eat at restaurants where they aren't guaranteed a seat next to a window overlooking their car, and about a million other things people do when they are traveling.

So yeah, we seem to be talking about different things. Apparently your trips are 1,000 miles each way, take 10 days, and you only stay in houses larger than your own where you can bring the rifle inside, and then only go do things were you can stay in sight of your car. You either have really REALLY unusual (or at least specific) travels, or you constrain your travel plans to allow you to work around this thing you've decided you need to have with you all the time.

Yeah, I'll have to make do with my handguns. I've traveled many many places with far less and found my way home. They'll do.
And I've never needed my carry gun.
Again, I think you're making my point for me. You've never even needed your handgun, and a handgun is orders of magnitude more universally likely to be employed in day-to-day violent encounters than a rifle, simply due to the much greater portion of the day you can have it with you and ready. But you need a rifle with you because ... well, who knows, something might come up. Live a hundred lifetimes and I'm willing to bet that rifle won't be reached for.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, by the way. I don't think folks SHOULDN'T have rifles or shotguns with them if they want to. I just find myself needing to understand the thinking that brings folks to this decision -- and to figure out what assumptions folks use to justify it to themselves.

Again, though, "Aww, I just want to..." is a fine answer.
 
The only time a long gun travels with me is when I am in bear country then its my guide gun or slug gun.
 
A few years back my wife and I did a road trip form Northern Ca. to Yellowstone and Glacier N.P.s I took my H.D. shotgun, it was just in the way. When I travel by car I always bring a handgun or two.
 
Why does traveling with a long gun have to be only about self defense? Doesn't anyone just take along a rifle just because? I do. What if I stop at a place that's has nice spot to go plinking? What happened to the good ol' days when a rifle was the perfect companion? Maybe some of you fellers feel pretty smart carrying a pistol and leaving your rifles at home but if I made that a habit, I shore would have had less fun in my life
 
If I drive over 100 miles I toss a long gun in the trunk. Its not as though I have to lug it on my back, its in the trunk.
 
Why does traveling with a long gun have to be only about self defense? Doesn't anyone just take along a rifle just because? I do. What if I stop at a place that's has nice spot to go plinking? What happened to the good ol' days when a rifle was the perfect companion? Maybe some of you fellers feel pretty smart carrying a pistol and leaving your rifles at home but if I made that a habit, I shore would have had less fun in my life

As I said very clearly, "just because I want to" or if I have some reasonably likely chance to shoot for fun along the way, or if I have some specific shooting purpose in mind -- all perfectly realistic purposes.

I'd imagine travels that just happen across some place where you can just decide to stop and shoot a while are a bit of a rare thing for most of us, though. Out in the southwest with lots of desert BLM land, sure you can stop and shoot at rocks or whatever if you like. But that sort of thing wouldn't be safe in most of the country, and would almost certainly be trespassing. If you make a specific habit of searching out public ranges and designated shooting areas to visit that's different, but I'd say that becomes a planned shooting activity, not just a "glad I had my rifle along!" sort of random thing.
 
So the billion-to-one odds are changed by driving for ten days or 1,000 miles?

Of course the odds are changed. There are a lot more opportunities for something to happen in 10 days and thousands of miles of road while staying in (multiple) other states than in an hour or two near your home. At least that's how I figure the odds as they apply to me in those scenarios.

Ok, so I think this kind of proves my point. Now we're on a trip and you can't leave your rifle in the hotel and you can leave it in the car but only if you stay within eyesight of the car. That's a MIGHTY specific kind of trip you're on.

There is no "the hotel" to leave it in, because there is no hotel. And if there was to be a hotel it would be for an unplanned near-emergency or emergency situation and we wouldn't be leaving stuff unattended in the hotel (and would maybe be happy to have the rifle).

And I already don't leave the car unattended and out of eyesight because it already contains at least one pistol, our dogs, our computers, our cameras, and all kinds of other highly valuable items. Until we get to our destination (somebody's house) and put those items in their house, anyway. Then we may leave the vehicle unattended. But the rifle goes in the house in that scenario with the other valuables, typically.

MIGHTY specific? It's called driving across the country to visit family. Doesn't seem so super specific to me? :confused:
 
If I know that there is going to be an opportunity for me to use a rifle whether hunting, or just plinking, I'll bring a rifle on trips.
If I have no plans on going shooting sometime along my trip or am not going to have the opportunity, I leave them.
Rifles are cumbersome, and I like to pull over and go hiking, look at roadside attractions, etc...and have no desire to leave a rifle unattended in the vehicle while I'm gone, and no desire to open carry a rifle.
I'm with Sam in that I don't see a rifle being useful while traveling unless I know there is a good chance I'm going to use it, and feel a handgun is a much better option for SD while traveling.
 
Of course the odds are changed. There are a lot more opportunities for something to happen in 10 days and thousands of miles of road while staying in (multiple) other states than in an hour or two near your home. At least that's how I figure the odds as they apply to me in those scenarios.
I see that point (well, those 10 days will pass regardless of where you are...so considering really just the 1,000 mile journey), but the statistics folks also say that most accidents and general trouble happen within a few miles of your home. Does that apply more or less to the sorts of trouble where a gun is useful, I'm really not sure. I can see arguments either way. Suffice it to say, I concur with being armed, no less so for being on a trip.

There is no "the hotel" to leave it in, because there is no hotel. And if there was to be a hotel it would be for an unplanned near-emergency or emergency situation and we wouldn't be leaving stuff unattended in the hotel (and would maybe be happy to have the rifle).

And I already don't leave the car unattended and out of eyesight because it already contains at least one pistol, our dogs, our computers, our cameras, and all kinds of other highly valuable items. Until we get to our destination (somebody's house) and put those items in their house, anyway. Then we may leave the vehicle unattended. But the rifle goes in the house in that scenario with the other valuables, typically.

MIGHTY specific? It's called driving across the country to visit family. Doesn't seem so super specific to me?
Ok, but yes, that is mighty specific. You're envisioning one kind of trip where you work around the rifle, and can without too much trouble because you aren't doing any of the things that most folks do when traveling. (Staying in hotels, etc., etc.) Your specifically chosen trip is almost tailor-made for accommodating having that long gun along. In order for 95% of other travelers to be in the same position, they'd have to radically alter/curtail their normal travel accommodations and itineraries to make happen the conveniences you're taking for granted.

It's a bit like the "well I might happen along a spot to stop and shoot" suggestion. If you've stacked the deck very heavily in favor of that (e.g.: locating shooting ranges along your route, traveling through BLM land --or-- staying only with relatives and not entering buildings, taking hikes, going on tours, sitting through business meetings, etc. out of sight of your car along the way) then it starts to be more reasonable.

As a simple matter of course for a gun owner on a normal trip, it would be quite the opposite: A hassle and bother to deal with, forcing extra care and adjustment of travel arrangements the only rationale for which would be the galactically, vanishingly, rare occurrence of a self-defense confrontation in which a rifle was accessible AND the only sufficient tool.


:) Again, why NOT carry the defibrillator, epi pen, fire extinguisher, tourniquet, and life jacket? Because they aren't as cool, right? And you'd hate to be burdened with something you're unlikely to ever need in a lifetime of travel, unless you just like having it with you. :)
 
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".... loaded long gun travel is illegal ...."
In some jurisdictions partially because loaded long gun in the vehicle is associated with poaching wild game from roadways, including the [expletives] who shoot then drive off w/o retrieving the game or drive off and wait til nightfall to return.

You cannot look just to the criminal statutes, but the fish'n'game or wildlife resources management regulations as well. Tennessee has no loaded long guns in a vehicle unless carried for self-defense with a handgun carry permit. I am not willing to test the interpretation of that law with a wildlife resources agent during hunting season.
 
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