Do you decrease potential firearms purchases because of Form 4473 & FFL interaction?

[GEM]

That a diversion from the issue.

 

[Miami_JBT]

That a diversion from the issue.

Gun owners can be tracked outside of a 4473.

Credit card purchase records
Bank/debit purchase records
Social media history
Internet search history
Membership to various 2A related orgs
Open record communication (emails for example) with lawmakers about 2A issues
Public display of political stances (bumper stickers and wardrobe)
State/local gun ownership/carry permit records
Gun range membership records

There is a treasure trove of information to be collected, cataloged, and made searchable. That's being done as we speak.

In the past, the people were paranoid that the government was tapping the phone and listening in on conservations. Today, people willingly allow themselves to be monitored and tracked. The environment that exists today is something the East German Stasi had wet dreams about. Private industry isn't restricted by pesky things like the Constitution. And since people freely give that information to private industry, private industry is able to freely sell it to the government. And AI is extremely helpful in streamlining it and the government is loving it.

Heck, right now you have local sheriffs in Florida installing AI facial recognition cameras across their AOs.

Viewers voice concerns over Hernando Sheriff's surveillance cameras

Since cameras have been installed around Hernando County, people have been asking questions such as who installed them and what they are being used for.

www.abcactionnews.com

With license plate readers, AI driven facial recognition, and a sprawling network of state surveillance tide in with private systems like Ring cameras. You can literally be tracked from your home to the local gun range and back. That then catalogs you into various systems and keeps a record of you. And since people like to adorn their POVs with politically minded bumper stickers and such. Makes identification even easier along with license plates.

The orwellian state is massively growing and it is being done with the support of Republican lawmakers too.

 

[.308 Norma]

I worry about those that buy Lite beer with a shopping card. You should just buy real beer! Lots more flavor and only a few more calories

Okay, and I even know how to keep this discussion sort of gun-related AND about the kinds of beer we prefer. I (and my born and raised in California wife) try to not buy anything that comes out of California because we don't like California leftist-liberal politics - including California's treatment of the 2nd Amendment in the last 25 or 30 years. Yet my favorite beer of all time comes out of California!
It's a dilemma! As much as I don't like seeing more and more Californians coming to Idaho, I wish Sierra-Nevada Brewing Company would move out of California. I'm just a "cling to my guns and bible" beer swilling hypocrite, I guess.

 

[doubleh]

Don't worry about it. When you purchase your first firearm you are in the system. If our government ever decides to confiscate guns they will seize the database (some will say they already know which I don't doubt) and come get 'em all. Until then you will be fine.

 

[.308 Norma]

Think having secret guns stashed in your toilet tank are good for anything?

Sure, they're as good for as many things as the ones buried in your backyard. You know - the guns you claim were lost in that silly "boating accident" we all hear about so often.

 

[Old Dog]

Don't worry about it. When you purchase your first firearm you are in the system. If our government ever decides to confiscate guns they will seize the database (some will say they already know which I don't doubt) and come get 'em all. Until then you will be fine.

Remember the famous line in the classic motion picture Red Dawn (the original, not the stupid remake)? Believe it was the Cuban commander, "Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms marked 4473."

 

[hawg]

If 2 or more of the 7 were handguns, there is an extra Multiple Purchase form in your dossier.

I only recall one in mine. I saw two operationally equivalent but mechanically different guns in stock. I could not make up my mind, so I bought both with never a care.

Five were revolvers and two were rifles.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Don't worry about it. When you purchase your first firearm you are in the system. If our government ever decides to confiscate guns they will seize the database (some will say they already know which I don't doubt) and come get 'em all. Until then you will be fine.

Too many guns to confiscate. You don't need to track the guns, just track the people.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Remember the famous line in the classic motion picture Red Dawn (the original, not the stupid remake)? Believe it was the Cuban commander, "Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms marked 4473."

BATFE does that all the time.... they've even admitted they have a searchable database with the search feature turned off by their IT department. All it needs is to be turned on and bam! Government registration of gun owners.

 

[GEM]

Want something useful, rather than fretting about forms. Get Scotus to get off their yachts and actually take cases that enforce Bruen in real time rather than the slow walk or do nothing paradigm that they have now.

 

[doubleh]

Want something useful, rather than fretting about forms. Get Scotus to get off their yachts and actually take cases that enforce Bruen in real time rather than the slow walk or do nothing paradigm that they have now.

Surely you don't expect government workers to actually work.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Want something useful, rather than fretting about forms. Get Scotus to get off their yachts and actually take cases that enforce Bruen in real time rather than the slow walk or do nothing paradigm that they have now.

If you're hoping a couple of old people in fancy robes is the saving grace. You're already doomed. YOU NEED TO GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND MAKE NOISE.

 

[Old Dog]

BATFE does that all the time.... they've even admitted they have a searchable database with the search feature turned off by their IT department. All it needs is to be turned on and bam! Government registration of gun owners.

One notes the current administration's efforts to curtail private sales and ensure there are background checks on every firearms transaction, and that all transactions go through an FFL.

Yes. It's coming.

 

[bassjam]

I don't avoid FFL's because of form 4473. Now before I had my CCW I did occasionally avoid buying from gun dealers because I hated the 10 minute wait for the background check, and for about 5 years I'd get put on a hold and have to wait 3 days about 25% of the time.

Also, what often seems like a good deal can get ruined by sales tax. No need to worry about that with a FTF private sale.

 

[GEM]

If you're hoping a couple of old people in fancy robes is the saving grace. You're already doomed. YOU NEED TO GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND MAKE NOISE.

Well, you don't me and I have. Preach to someone else IN CAPS.

 

[Insignificant bill]

The government shouldn't have a say in gun sales period. 4473s, backgrounds, etc... don't stop criminals and never did. I've purchased half my collection via private sales. As an American, I should be able to freely order a firearm direct from the manufacturer and have it mailed to my house.

Exactly the government has been told that all government infringements on arms is illegal, we the citizens need to work on eliminating all gun control, it doesn't work.

 

[Reloadron]

Do you decrease potential firearms purchases because of Form 4473 & FFL interaction?​

I do!

What I mean by this is my FFL does a limited number of transact yearly and I feel like if I do too many, it might seem odd. Plus the handgun form for the State Police too often might seem odd.

Because I’m having a transaction for a revolver that is pre 1899 but still has to go through an FFL, plus another revolver transaction in March and a shotgun transaction in February, it makes me not want to purchase a vintage Smith & Wesson revolver I’m interested in.

It makes the pre 1899 stuff more attractive. No one else knows my affairs other than the seller.

Never give it a thought and some of my guns were bought the GCA (Gun Control Act) of 1968 before a Form 4473 ever saw the light of day. Some of my guns I completed a Form 4473 when that became law and other guns were purchased through private sales perfectly legal in my state (Ohio). No the 4478 Form through a licensed dealer does not effect, in the least, my firearms purchases. Then too, this is simply me so anyone else is welcome to have their own views and opinions.

Regardless of new restrictions targeting private sales, private sales are not going to simply go away anymore than we can legislate morality. Cousin Guido will always know someone selling a gun out of the trunk of a car down on East 125th and Superior Ave.

Ron

 

[orpington]

I decided that my desire to own a .38/44 Heavy Duty far exceeded trying not to purchase a firearm too often, and so I exercised my Second Amendment rights! Besides, how often do you find one of these, complete with original box?