Do You Keep Records of Private Sales?

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I have a log book of guns that I record the date I sold it; this is mostly for insurance purposes. I do not keep private FTF sales records of individuals, nor would I give my info out - do you do that if you sell a chainsaw at a garage sale?
 
I have a log book of guns that I record the date I sold it; this is mostly for insurance purposes. I do not keep private FTF sales records of individuals, nor would I give my info out - do you do that if you sell a chainsaw at a garage sale?

As discussed in this thread, that is not an apt analogy.

If the chainsaw is used in a crime LE isn't going to trace it and find a 4473 with its serial number and your name on it. Even if it is serialized the retailer probably didn't take your info when you bought it or even if they did they probably didn't know what serial number you were buying, just make/model/etc for basic inventory purposes.

I don't do bills of sale either, but I have to call it fair.
 
Just a question for those that say no names/addresses or no deal.
What if someone was offering an absolutely screaming deal, lets say a mint Luger for $100 (or fill in your grail gun), but the catch is they won't sell without taking your name and address. What do you do??
 
Just a question for those that say no names/addresses or no deal.
What if someone was offering an absolutely screaming deal, lets say a mint Luger for $100 (or fill in your grail gun), but the catch is they won't sell without taking your name and address. What do you do??

Assume it's stolen
 
I live in IL, so yes. We are supposed to keep records of guns we sold for 10 years by statute.

After 10 years, I guess it's safe to throw the info away, although I'd imagine most keep it anyway due to the nature of IL.
 
And give them your name and address?

Sure.

I might talk them into having an FFL do the transfer though. Since they are the ones that insist on documentation and all that. I would even pay the fee.

(and address comes implied with name, you get a person's full name you can find their address. Phone Book anyone? That's the way it's been for awhile)
 
If the chainsaw is used in a crime LE isn't going to trace it and find a 4473 with its serial number and your name on it. Even if it is serialized the retailer probably didn't take your info when you bought it or even if they did they probably didn't know what serial number you were buying, just make/model/etc for basic inventory purposes.

BS, it is too. If I buy and sell some used guns, what 4473 is going to come to me? NONE

And more folks are hurt with chain saws - maybe we should require nanny-state paperwork for them, kitchen knives, etc.
 
BS, it is too. If I buy and sell some used guns, what 4473 is going to come to me? NONE

And more folks are hurt with chain saws - maybe we should require nanny-state paperwork for them, kitchen knives, etc.

Obviously the concerns about the paper trail to you do not apply if you bought the gun used without giving information.

PS: Firearms are used to unlawfully injure and kill exponentially more people than chainsaws. I would avoid trying to use that ^.

PPS: The specifics being discussed now have nothing to do with wanting to require anything of the government. I suspect that you know that so please save us the hyperbole.
 
No to a bill of sale, but I do wright down the name in a notebook I have with serial numbers and such. If the name he gives me is wrong I'd never know, or care. I have on occasion forgot the name before I got back home. If the law ever came asking I'd be perfectly honest and forthcoming, but I doubt it'd help much.

When it comes about via Online deals I always keep the emails archived.
 
PS: Firearms are used to unlawfully injure and kill exponentially more people than chainsaws. I would avoid trying to use that

How do you know and why are you continuously perpetrating this "keep the paper work on everyone crap" on all of these threads? If you are THAT scared, then use an FFL for all of your buys and sales. Most of us do not need MORE government interventions. I buy a gun, I sell a gun. Who I buy it from or sell it to is neither your business or that of this nanny state and I will follow the federal law to the letter and not a letter more. Perhaps you should do the same. Tracing serial numbers looks good on BS CSI shows, but it is far from reality
 
How do you know and why are you continuously perpetrating this "keep the paper work on everyone crap" on all of these threads? If you are THAT scared, then use an FFL for all of your buys and sales. Most of us do not need MORE government interventions. I buy a gun, I sell a gun. Who I buy it from or sell it to is neither your business or that of this nanny state and I will follow the federal law to the letter and not a letter more. Perhaps you should do the same. Tracing serial numbers looks good on BS CSI shows, but it is far from reality

Please go back and tread through the thread.

You seem to be confused.

You may want to go back and read "all of those threads" while you are at it.

Just for the sake of accuracy/clarity.

Again, spare us the baseless hyperbole please.
 
For those who do keep records (and for those who don't, too) have you ever been contacted by police during an investigation regarding a gun you purchased and later sold?
 
For those who do keep records (and for those who don't, too) have you ever been contacted by police during an investigation regarding a gun you purchased and later sold?
I have as an FFL holder. Not as a private citizen. But I do know of someone who has.
 
"For a period of ten years after a record of transfer MUST BE maintained"
It's the law here.
If one of my guns goes to a gun shop, I write the name of the shop & date of sale
If I sell a gun to an individual, I write the FOID (Firearm Owners Identification) number, date it expires and date of sale. That's it.

After ten years that information is purged from my records.
 
For all the guys who ask for a CC permit. Would you turn the buyer away if they didn't have one? I know lots of people that have guns but don't CC so they never bothered to get their permit. My father for example doesn't have a CC permit because he mainly has guns for hunting and occasional trips to the range. Would you guys accept a hunting license in place of a CC permit? I'm not trying to come off like a jerk or anything, I'm just curious.

Before Connecticut adopted its new laws in 2013, my policy on long guns was that if the buyer did not have a pistol permit or police credentials that I would do state paperwork and obtain an authorization number (from our NICS state POC). [That process, as well as possession of specified credentials was required for pistols, by law]. My reason behind that was that at one point, I had a shotgun listed on another forum, which had a strict approach to handling welchers. When the prospective buyer, a resident of my state, contacted me I recognized him from the hometown section of the website and 2 recent threads popped into my mind- 1 in which he asked if his "friend" should comply with protective order [only issued in DV criminal cases] that he was the subject of and the other was looking for a riot shotgun (somebody directed him to a great sale at a local chain sporting goods store) and he replied that he could only do FTF. When he initially contacted me, I asked him if he had a pistol permit- he replied in the negative. I told him paperwork and BG check were required. He disappeared for a while. [That poster had talked about owning and carrying pistols in other threads- in CT a permit is generally required to purchase a pistol or carry it outside of your home, my guess is that he was subject to a non-discretionary revocation based on a protective order] (It appeared that he did have a pending charge that could be associated with a domestic. A number of months later another local member got banned from the buy/sell/trade section of the forum, for welching, for refusing to participate in what he feared was a straw purchase attempt involving that individual, another individual, and a .40 pistol. (The way that things went down, that seller was convinced that the pistol was really for the likely prohibited possessor that contacted me- I fear that he was correct.

From that point until 2013, that was my policy. Now, our laws require various permits and certificates for everything (long guns, handguns, magazines, ammunition) All private transfers now require a background check and authorization number. Since we can DIY that, I can't say that I'm opposed to that portion of our new laws. (I am legally required to keep one of the state forms for 20 years and the other for 5 years- I will keep both for the 20, should I sell anything)

I wouldn't want to put a gun in the hands of prohibited person and I believe that our system does a good job of (1) deterring bad guys from seeking guns from legal sources and (2) dissuading legitimate gun owners from diverting guns to bad guys (due to our pseudo-registry). I wish we had something similar nationwide- so that there would be even fewer guns trafficked into the hands of dangerous individuals.
 
There are a couple of dozen posts in this thread explaining the rational idea and the reason to "complicate it."

Just because you don't like the idea doesn't mean it isn't rational or that it doesn't have merit. But since you brought it up let me ask you a question: how many guns that you bought new on a 4473 form have you sold to someone without having any idea of who they were? I have several that I traded from my younger days and I can tell you that one of my hopes is that I never to have to explain, with no credible alternative, why I wasn't the one who used it in a crime.

Apparently to some people wanting to know the name of the person I sell a gun to makes me Chuck Schumer's evil cousin. This thread is like debating abortion: both sides know they are right and have no desire to change their views.


Can you come up with even ONE example of this EVER happening ANYWHERE in the country?

I know I have looked and have NEVER been able to find a verifiable case of it.

What you seem to fear just doesn't happen.
 
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