Do you really think there is that much advantage to carrying a full sized pistol?

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jcv said:
I'm curious. How many LEOs carry a full sized duty gun when they're off duty?
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I'd like to know too if there are any stats available. Most cops I have talked to about guns carry a smaller gun off duty but for comfort/concealment reasons. My instructor prefers full-size and two extra mags. he's not a cop but he trains cops.
 
Kevinq6 said:
Thanks for replying I appreciate you taking the time.

What I am saying, is I carry a gun in anticipation of possibly needing it. That is why I listed all the advantages of a full-sized handgun. I carry in case I have to confront a gang, active shooter, or a thug.

"There is a time line from the time I decide I need to shoot and the time I actually shoot."

I'm not sure what you mean ... could you give an example please? I am asking sincerely I am not sure what you mean. As an example, if someone said give me the car keys or die and I practice my draw I cannot imagine what would stop me from pulling the trigger in that 1-1.5 seconds. I can imagine drawing or brandishing a gun without shooting ... is that what you mean?

"I'm NOT trying to KILL anyone My goal is to stop the threat with the MINIMUM amount of force necessary"

The way I see this is there is no scenario I can imagine where I would be using deadly force, shooting at a fellow human being in public, and I would not hope for a hit to the face/spine/heart. I am a martial artist and agree that I should use the minimum amount of force necessary, especially in a physical fight. I would use force according to the situation. It depends on the situation. If I see a gang banger kicking an elderly black woman on the ground calling her a ******, or someone raping a young child, that is different than someone losing their temper, or a drunk guy trying to fight me in a bar... concerning but definitely where I could use 'minimum force'.


I think mindset is important and it is important to remember that "today could be the day" and to have a predator mindset. It will be a bad day if there is ever an active shooter where I am, hopefully I will be able to shoot them in the face in time.

I think there are valid legal concerns but that many typical concerns are blown out of proportion. For example one of my friends said I shouldn't have rifle armor as part of my home defense plan because of someone broke into my house with intent to kill me it would look like I was "looking for trouble". Besides the fact that body armor would help protect me from getting killed, it is absoutely ridiculous to imagine a homeowner would be charged with murder if someone invaded their home in Texas.

As I said, I live in TX, one could also argue I want to kill because I have a big gun, or because I used 200gr 10mm instead of whatever 9mm the local police uses. I feel confident I could explain my reasons, and I think the advantage defending my life outweights the theoretical advantage of being able to say I used the same weapon as the police. One could argue I was wanting to kill because I had an AR15 in the trunk ready to go. My primary concern is stopping the threat and I feel pretty confident I could explain that to a jury ... and that is assuming I have to go to trial which in most situations would be very unlikely. Also if I had to use my trunk gun the situation would be so extreme I think it would probably be easy to defend (or at least I'd be alive).

Anyways, that said I don't have anything stupid engraved in my guns. And I do get your point and I am aware Masaad Ayoob says to shoot to 'stop' but I do not live in CA and I agree with Gabe Suarez on this ... he has many posts on this but here is one ... just as an example. http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/07/understanding-fear-aggression-in-gunfighting.html
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Dude you need to get some training in the legal aspects of carrying a handgun and you need to get some force-on-force training
 
Overall it really depends on what sizes you are comparing in OP. My g19 with RMR that I carry every day is a huge advantage over my J frame, LCR, G26, G30, LCP, Kahr p380, Taurus millennium etc. Simply no argument that I can think of. I shoot the g19 better, faster, more accurately, with more bangs before empty, and I am comfortable in how I shoot it. Simple really. I KNOW for a fact I can reliably hit torso sized targets out to 100 yards with that pistol, so there is little chance I would ever reach for the LCR when the G19 is an option.

Where it gets interesting IMO is when clothing or whatever will not allow a larger or full size weapon. Then I make compromises. I pick based on size it needs to be and how effective I would be if I needed to use it. Different jobs take different tools. You don't reach for the sledge hammer when you need the framing hammer...

With a proper holster and belt there is no discomfort in carrying my g19. I think most similar guns can be carried comfortably if the holster and belt are up to snuff, but this is where most people screw up. Cheapie belt makes the best holster inadequate. Junk holster makes the best belt terrible. You need to have both parts be quality if you are going to carry anything sizable and not be miserable!

Nothing super fancy here really. I use a crossbreed IWB (or a nice Tucker for OWB) slung up on a bullhidebelts.com 1/4 inch thick 1.5 inch wide belt. A glock 20 or 21 can be carried this way just fine too in my experience, though they do better OWB due to barrel length and poking me in the butt constantly.

My pistol is comforting first and foremost. Comfortable second. : )
 
"Do you really think there is that much advantage to carrying a full sized pistol?"



No, there is clearly no benefit what so ever. I have been thinking about this for days, and can not come up with a single situation where having a full size gun could be an advantage. I mean why would you want a larger gun, that is easier to shoot, and carries more ammunition?

Clearly all the people who advocate for carrying a full sized gun are just a bunch of internet commandos who know nothing. Everyone knows that if you are ever attacked, it will only be by one person at a time, in a well lit area, and you will see that person from a mile away.
 
460Shooter said:
"Do you really think there is that much advantage to carrying a full sized pistol?"



No, there is clearly no benefit what so ever. I have been thinking about this for days, and can not come up with a single situation where having a full size gun could be an advantage. I mean why would you want a larger gun, that is easier to shoot, and carries more ammunition?

Clearly all the people who advocate for carrying a full sized gun are just a bunch of internet commandos who know nothing. Everyone knows that if you are ever attacked, it will only be by one person at a time, in a well lit area, and you will see that person from a mile away.
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460Shooter said:
"Do you really think there is that much advantage to carrying a full sized pistol?"



No, there is clearly no benefit what so ever. I have been thinking about this for days, and can not come up with a single situation where having a full size gun could be an advantage. I mean why would you want a larger gun, that is easier to shoot, and carries more ammunition?

Clearly all the people who advocate for carrying a full sized gun are just a bunch of internet commandos who know nothing. Everyone knows that if you are ever attacked, it will only be by one person at a time, in a well lit area, and you will see that person from a mile away.
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Lets be honest here, if someone did a study on carry guns and their correlation to education levels, there would most definitely be a negative correlation between education level and gun size meaning the less educated one is the more likely they are to be carrying a great big gun and a bunch of extra ammo. I would bet my life on it.

With that being said, nothing says manual labor more than open carry in a Walmart.............nothing lol
 
I run a weekly pistol match under USPSA rules. I get to see lots of new shooters come into the sport, many of whom start out using compact or mid-sized pistols. I can PROMISE you that larger, heavier pistols are advantageous... even in capacity-limited divisions where the number of bullets in the magazine is exactly they same between a G19 and G17/34.
 
bangbang01 said:
Lets be honest here, if someone did a study on carry guns and their correlation to education levels, there would most definitely be a negative correlation between education level and gun size meaning the less educated one is the more likely they are to be carrying a great big gun and a bunch of extra ammo. I would bet my life on it.

With that being said, nothing says manual labor more than open carry in a Walmart.............nothing lol
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If formal education is what you are referring to, you may be correct.
Of course intelligence and education are quite often inversely proportional.
 
bangbang01 said:
Lets be honest here, if someone did a study on carry guns and their correlation to education levels, there would most definitely be a negative correlation between education level and gun size meaning the less educated one is the more likely they are to be carrying a great big gun and a bunch of extra ammo. I would bet my life on it.

With that being said, nothing says manual labor more than open carry in a Walmart.............nothing lol
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Well, I guess I'm gonna be an outlier in your baseless speculatory theoretical survey.

I have plenty of formal education and I prefer full size/duty guns.

Though I only carry 1 reload and no BUG.

I don't understand your walmart comment, care to clarify?
 
bangbang01 said:
Lets be honest here, if someone did a study on carry guns and their correlation to education levels, there would most definitely be a negative correlation between education level and gun size meaning the less educated one is the more likely they are to be carrying a great big gun and a bunch of extra ammo. I would bet my life on it.

With that being said, nothing says manual labor more than open carry in a Walmart.............nothing lol
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You haven't been on this forum very long have you? There are lawyers here. there are doctors here. There are Nurses here. There are people who have their doctorate in other disciplines. There are engineers here.

And very few of them carry pocket guns
 
bangbang01 said:
Lets be honest here, if someone did a study on carry guns and their correlation to education levels, there would most definitely be a negative correlation between education level and gun size meaning the less educated one is the more likely they are to be carrying a great big gun and a bunch of extra ammo. I would bet my life on it.
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You lose and you're dead.

I have two college degrees with honors society and my edc for over a year is the Beretta 92. Prior to take I was regularly carrying either a 5 shot J-Frame snubby or a SIG P239 9mm. So how did I become less educated by making the switch?

Ernest Langdon makes interesting case about people that carry full-size Berettas such as the 92FS. He says often new shooters that start with carrying 92 will carry it for a while then switch to smaller, lighter weight guns. Then after they become more experienced and better trained they come back to carrying full-size Beretta. Think of the bell curve with the owner at the beginning and end of the curve. (I think his comment applies to anyone that starts with a full-size handgun as the choice is personal.)
 
drunkenpoacher said:
If formal education is what you are referring to, you may be correct.
Of course intelligence and education are quite often inversely proportional.
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I completely agree. I work with all kinds of highly educated people that are as dumb as rocks.

It has to do more with the way people dress. It's harder to carry in business casual than it is in a pair of baggy jeans with a hoodie or big shirt. Even when not at work, white collar guys tend to dress differently than blue collar guys. When you pocket carry a little micro 380 all day because that's all you can get away with, it makes carrying a real gun outside of work seem like a total pain in azz.

People on a forum like this are going to point out outliars or get angry at a comment like the one you quoted, but I'm just pointing out trends you will see. Another common trend you see with white collar guys is owning that full size tricked out kimber but rarely carrying it or leaving it in the car.

Once again, these are trends, not absolutes.
 
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